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Of course he won't be carrying the second gun with him. But like I said, what good will that second gun do him if he discovers the first one isn't functioning when face to face with the bear? That is why I say the guides gun is the ONLY backup gun that will count in such a scenario. Should you have an accidental fall and bust your stock or scope, ATV/boat/horse accident, theft due to scumbag lurking? ??? I guess that's when I'd want a back up gun in camp ready to go. Nobody really said when this back up was going to be put to use and it was just assumed that it would be in the event of a circumstance like I mentioned above?? YMMV. What is even more likely to happen is that one of the baggage handling apes on the airline you flew to your hunting destination either abuses your gun case or maybe misplaces it completely. In this situation you might have two damaged or lost rifles if you had them both in one case which is probably what most hunters do since you are charged for every bag of luggage these days. I think these days I would prefer to take my chances with one gun, especially if flying. If it don't make it to my destination, I am sure the outfitter will have no problem getting you one to borrow. It's not like he expects you to pay $10-15K for a bear hunt and then will leave you without a gun if it happens to get lost or damaged. My .02 cents on this subject, anyway.

It reads, Congradulations, you gave a grand and we gave you this piece of plastic, and has a pic of a guy giving you the finger. lol For $1000 I would expect it to be one of those hologram pictures of the finger, so when you move the card slightly the finger wiggles side to side. Or maybe they will save those cards for when the DEC decides to implement AR's across the whole state and take away our antlerless bow/muzzleloading tags. LOL

Of course he won't be carrying the second gun with him. But like I said, what good will that second gun do him if he discovers the first one isn't functioning when face to face with the bear? That is why I say the guides gun is the ONLY backup gun that will count in such a scenario.

Me and my uncle hunt 180 acres and have 4 permanent stands on it. Generally it's only the two of us hunting it, although the landowners two brothers and nephew have hunted the first two weekends of the regular season the past couple years due to AR restrictions and difficulties in drawing a doe permit in their usual hunting spot. One of my favorite spots on this property is right on the ground where I am hidden away between two boulders. I have also killed my share of deer while on foot, so treestand hunting is surely not the only tactic we utilize.

No, I don't know better, but I just can't see how that extra rifle you brought along will help you in the heat of the moment if you discover the rifle you did carry into the field is malfunctioning. The ONLY rifle that will help you is the guides. Not like you will be able to tell the bear, "Looky here, Mr. Bear, can I go back and get my working rifle so I can shoot you before you decide to eat me". I've hunted with outfitters and I haven't heard any recommending everyone to bring an extra rifle. Usually they will find you one to use, if it turns out that yours isn't working right.

The ONLY backup gun that will help save your hide is the guides gun, and surely not the extra one you brought along that will probably be sitting in the tent miles away from the action.

For $1000 I would at least want one of those Big Rack women pictured on the license instead of a stupid drooling black bear! LOL

I think if one goes into the Alaskan bush after brown bear, he must decide on ONE rifle and forget about a backup. There is enough stuff to lug along and put into a small plane without an extra gun. An extra rifle will be more trouble than it's worth. Typically the guides don't care to admire the hunters battery of guns, all they care about is that you know how to shoot ONE well when the animal shows itself. Also if the hunter brings along more than one gun and then ends up screwing up a shot, it will make him look even worse in the guides eyes. The hunter will look like a total idiot. Hey look he's got a bunch of neat guns yet can't shoot any of them worth a darn is what the guide will be thinking.

I absolutely agree. Yeah the slug gun and muzzleloader can reach out to even 100 yards and maybe beyond, but NO way will you be able to shoot with the same precision as with a decent centerfire rifle. I have never had as much confidence placing a shot with any other weapon like I have with a rifle. And there is good reason for it, because a rifle is simply more dependable in delivering the shot where you want it to go. In my opinion there will be way less gunshots heard during deer season now that rifles are legal. More people will connect with that first shot and repeat fire will be needed less often.

OK, if you want me to answer the question directly. I would buy the land next to yours and raise hogs on it.

No one is saying YOU alone are the problem or expect you to let everyone on your land. In general though, hunting has become more of a selfish game where people are less likely to share their land than they were 20-30 years ago. No one called you a greedy bastard but yourself. I lease land to hunt since that is what hunting has become these days, and could care less if you let me or anyone else hunt on yours. Just saying what hunting has become, that's all.

You've seen MORE hunting opportunities in the last 20 - 30 years, but lack of hunting opportunities is the biggest threat to hunting? ??? ? ...... :-\ . Opportunities as to what the state allows us to shoot. These days one can hunt bears and turkeys in places they couldn't 20-30 years ago. You can hunt deer in different seasons and are given several tags to hunt with bows, guns, muzzleloaders and now crossbows. In many locations you can get several doe permits. Years ago you had 2 or 3 people on party permit to get only one for the whole group. There are ample things to hunt, but land access is becoming a problem. That problem has mostly been created by us hunters and NOT governments telling us we can't hunt.

I for one am not worried about hunting going anywhere. Of course there are the paranoid type who think the boogeymen are out to get them 24/7. In the last 20-30 years I have seen MORE hunting opportunities for hunters and not LESS. The biggest threat to our right to hunt is available private land for hunting. Much of this problem is caused by hunters themselves who own a good deal of this land yet don't want any other hunters even too look at it, never mind hunt it. If they do allow you to hunt, it will most likely be for some sort of access fee, so whose fault is that if hunting activity does continue to dwindle in the future?? States are not about to let a great source of revenue like hunting licenses just go away, especially a state like NY, who even wants to use hunting license money for non-wildlife, conservation purposes. Money talks, if you guys haven't noticed, thus I don't see hunting going anywhere anytime soon as far as states or governments banning it.

You can count on us here at the NY forum to help you thru it, Culver! ;D We won't talk about bucks, deer, hunting, shooting or anything hunting related to help you keep your mind off of it.

Maybe it was some of your buddies playing a trick on you? They put a life sized mounted deer with screwed in moose antlers out in front of your camera!

Maybe us hunters should gargle with the stuff in the morning before we go out during the rut? Not only will it give us more energy, our breath might attract some big bucks. We will let Biz-R-OWorld try it out since he seems to be knowledgeable about this stuff and give us a report.

Maybe we could sell all those forkhorn antlers we have hanging in our garages for more money than we could get from a Boone & Crocket sized set? LOL Now that big money could be made I bet some Texas biologist comes up with some sort of theory on the merits of not shooting the big ones but only the smallest ones you could find! LOL

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_verducci/08/05/deer.antlers.arod/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 This is funny!

I don't think anyone is finding fault with him trying to hunt with a disability. I think it has to do more with the way he hunted well before his disability. However I do know that if I were ever to become too old or disabled I would just hang it up and try to find easier pastimes. I just couldn't imagine asking people to carry me into the woods and go out of their way for me to get some kicks. Just not my way. I would rather not hunt, than have people struggle and going out of their way for me. I did once see a program where a parapalegic was being given credit for climbing a mountain. All he did was get strapped onto the backs of different people while they carried him up. Was real nice of those people to do that for him, but what did this parapalegic really accomplish other than give a good many people a lot of hard work? I know that I may sound cruel here to some, but just pointing out some realities to stuff like this.

I have to agree with this. I am not a regular watcher of any hunting show, but I have also seen him flail away arrow after arrow hoping for a hit. Some seem to think he is the purest of TV hunters out there, but to me that kind of crazy "hail mary" type of shooting doesn't exactly make him stand out for the better amongst the other celebrity hunters. At least he doesn't hunt in enclosures from what I heard, so I will give credit for that.

Was this an old show? I thought he was in a wheelchair now?

Only one way to prove it wasn't photoshopped, Culver. Kill him this fall!!

I would take that deal in a heart beat. Or even if I got a doe permit every other year.Dave To me the doe tag is the most valuable tag. They could keep the extra buck tag that many people seem to want if I was assured a doe tag that could be used in any of the seasons. Yes, currently I can kill a doe with a bow or muzzleloader, but I have never considered myself much of a bowhunter nor do I really care to hunt that late into December with a muzzleloader in the SZ, so to have a doe tag for the other weapons isn't exactly the same thing as having a doe tag that I could use during the regular gun season when my odds for actually killing one become reasonable.

If someone told me I could have only one buck tag and only one doe tag per year and I could use them during any of the different seasons (most especially the gun season) I would live happily ever after for I don't care to have any more than that. I agree on making hunting as stress free and as least complicated as possible. I for one have never fed a deer anything that I had to work to plant myself, and highly doubt that I ever will. I think if I had to slave away all summer just to get a crack at a deer, hunting for me would get OLD real fast.

I knew it was a bit off color, so I have no problem with it being deleted. Hopefully some who did see it got a kick out of it anyway!