steve863

Lets try this.

Well, I guess those photos just won't download here properly.

Robert Moses state park has some nice looking bucks on it. Me and my brother used to photograph them there a number of years ago now. I just happen to have a few pictures saved on my computer here at work as an example of what's out there.

Funny! I absolutely never get on a computer or any type of internet connection away from my desk at work. I only post here to kill a few minutes every once in a while. I have no doubt others spend a hell of a lot more time on here, Facebook, and all sorts of other sites than I do.

Exactly what's up with this crap?? Are you looking to get me to call you a nice juicy name so that you can use your moderating powers and ban me from this site?? Sure seems like you are looking for it. No, its called a sense of humor, you ought to think of getting one. BTW, I dont have the authority or desire to ban anyone from this board. Never have, never will. I dont know why you think Im out to get you or something, I have no ill feelings about you, I just think you are a closed minded individual in some respects. Dont go getting paranoid on us. No, I'm definitely not paranoid and could care less if someone did ban me here. Wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it like some of you computer freaks would. I WILL however call out know nothings like you when I am told that my comprehension is lacking. I am obviously not the only one here who thinks your analysis of why we need a shorter season is completely flawed. So maybe it's not my comprehension that is lacking here, but actually YOUR understanding of anything relating to hunting, the DEC, and deer management in NYS that is the real problem.

Exactly what's up with this crap?? Are you looking to get me to call you a nice juicy name so that you can use your moderating powers and ban me from this site?? Sure seems like you are looking for it.

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do. There you go again with the crossbows! "Longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow". The crossbow in my opinion has ZERO significance in this conversation about a shortened gun season. Let us not even touch upon the fact that they have never been allowed in NYS and next year only allowed in gun season. We are NO where near discussing them as any sort of alternative to gun hunting. I have yet to hear a dedicated gun hunter say that they could ever be considered a good alternative. Uh oh, there goes your comprehension skills again. Yeah right, maybe it's more like you don't have a clue to what you're talking about!! If you baffle enough people with BS, some are sure to believe you. LOL No, its a case of you dont get it or havent paid attention. I know exactly what it is Im talking about. Yes, I have paid attention. Your premise all along has been that a shorter gun season would bring better overall hunting to everyone. And that gun hunters shouldn't feel that they would be sacrificing too much with a shorter season if they were told that they could continue hunting another few weeks with a crossbow instead. The crossbow would be the bone you would throw out to them. Whether you think you know exactly what your talking about is really a moot point here. The DEC honestly has no reason to worry about better overall hunting when a good percentage of hunters DO get to kill deer each year. They have little to worry about people abandoning hunting for the lack of deer when over 200,000 of them get shot by hunters each year in recent years. Do you think it would make the state happy if there were enough deer in NYS where hunters could bag 400,000 per year? Do you think this would make more people want to hunt? The answer to both is NO. The state wants less deer, and not more. So the quality of your own hunting experience is of little importance to them. Hunters are used as a population control tool. Yes, to a degree the state does want to make hunters happy. But NO one should think that making hunters happy will ever be MORE important to them than the job they want us to do, which is control the deer population. It's not like they want more deer in NYS just to keep hunters happy, when the reality is that they want less to keep everyone else in the state happy and safe.

The state does care. There would not be any restrictions at all if your failed logic was true. Ask the DEC yourself. I'm not going to do research for you. the article and comments directly from DEC states they see no biologic benefit of AR. They also state it IS a social benefit. Doesn't sound to me like they have any desire in the arena of horns....mostly herd health...wich they say we have.....and population control....which they say they are at the level they want..Their words...not mine You're absolutely right, Culver. That article pretty much says what the DEC thinks about AR's. The only reason they implemented AR's in the few units in the Catskills was because there were a few very vocal "sportsmans" groups crying for them and telling the DEC that everyone who hunts there wants them also. The DEC pretty much implemented them as an experiment and nothing more. I have yet to read that the DEC is deeming AR's a success in those units and haven't seen them implemented elsewhere in NYS either. Deer population control has absolutely NOTHING to do with antlers. I can't believe that some people think there is some relation between the two. 0

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do. There you go again with the crossbows! "Longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow". The crossbow in my opinion has ZERO significance in this conversation about a shortened gun season. Let us not even touch upon the fact that they have never been allowed in NYS and next year only allowed in gun season. We are NO where near discussing them as any sort of alternative to gun hunting. I have yet to hear a dedicated gun hunter say that they could ever be considered a good alternative. Uh oh, there goes your comprehension skills again. Yeah right, maybe it's more like you don't have a clue to what you're talking about!! If you baffle enough people with BS, some are sure to believe you. LOL

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do. There you go again with the crossbows! "Longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow". The crossbow in my opinion has ZERO significance in this conversation about a shortened gun season. Let us not even touch upon the fact that they have never been allowed in NYS and next year only allowed in gun season. We are NO where near discussing them as any sort of alternative to gun hunting. I have yet to hear a dedicated gun hunter say that they could ever be considered a good alternative.

You know what? Eventhough I wouldn't really like what you suggest here, I would agree to it if each category only had two weeks. Now would you like to wager on who would be bitching louder about this proposal, the bowhunters or the gun hunters? LOL!

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't.

Well, I've got some news for you. NYS could care less how big the antlers on the bucks head are when they are gunned down by hunters. The state needs deer shot and the age and antler size doesn't make a difference to them. Game management is deer population control. This antler stuff is only a concern to hunters who want them. The state could care less about them. You couldn't be more wrong. OK, why don't you tell us why I am wrong?? The state could give a damn about antlers. Antlers are the obsession of hunters and not the DEC. The state wants and hopes that 200,000 plus deer get taken each year and they could care less about what the antlers of the bucks look like. Please prove to us that they really care about them? Good luck in your search.

Well, I've got some news for you. NYS could care less how big the antlers on the bucks head are when they are gunned down by hunters. The state needs deer shot and the age and antler size doesn't make a difference to them. Game management is deer population control. This antler stuff is only a concern to hunters who want them. The state could care less about them.

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS!

I vote to keep everything as is. Why in the world should anyone who doesn't want to have to invest in bows, muzzleloaders, x-bows or any other sort of weapon just to keep a minority of the people who don't seem to like gun hunters happy?? The state wants a certain amount of deer dead each and every year and they know that gun hunters are the one who get the majority of the job done for them. Just why would they shortchange them to make a minority faction happy?? I don't think it will happen.

Not surprised that many trophy hunters would think this way. With more hunters in the woods the odds of that big buck being shot by someone else are better too. That is surely something many trophy hunters wouldn't want most of all! LOL I myself like hunting with a partner. Can sure make things easier when an extra hand is needed, and it's just nicer having someone along for the 3 hour drive to get to my hunting spot among other things. I am just a guy that likes hunting bigger bucks, ... I just don't get a charge out of shooting small bucks... plus I hunt alone when hunting does (for meat) as well, does that mean I'm a trophy meat hunter? ... If you enjoy hunting with a buddy thats great! But I find it hard to track deer or still hunt with a buddy. If I do hunt "with" a buddy (which I do on occasions during bow season) it is usually without a weapon and with a camera to film his hunt. When I get a nice buck and need help, I can always call a buddy to come help..that's never been an issue. By the way, I travel with friends to hunt all the time.. we just don't hunt "together" when we get where we're going.. we go in different directions miles apart and hunt alone, then meet up at dark back at the vehicle. I always get a kick out of being called a trophy hunter like it's a bad thing... I have hunted for 30 + years now and have had the opportunity to hunt a number of places in the US and Canada over the years. Without a doubt in my mind those who consider themselves trophy hunters are by far the most selfish hunters I have encountered. Many of them would surely prefer NO one hunts around them so that any trophy animals are left for them alone. I have found that those who hunt for the comradery and for the simple pleasures hunting can provide to be the ones I prefer to associate myself with. This has been my experience anyway.

Not surprised that many trophy hunters would think this way. With more hunters in the woods the odds of that big buck being shot by someone else are better too. That is surely something many trophy hunters wouldn't want most of all! LOL I myself like hunting with a partner. Can sure make things easier when an extra hand is needed, and it's just nicer having someone along for the 3 hour drive to get to my hunting spot among other things.

I can't say that I am glad that it's over, but I am ready for it to be over. I don't think there is anything wrong with having diversified interests. Hunting will still be in my occasional thoughts and a lot of my winter and summer activities are related to hunting, and I certainly love discussing hunting and related subjects. But I never do lose sight of the fact that there is a lot more to life than just hunting. And when the season is officially over, I have no problem putting it away and changing focus to other things. In fact I put deer hunting away the other day and never felt a drop of remorse. Doc What makes me glad that it's over most of all is that there won't be anymore 3 hour drives to my hunting property. Have had my fill of these drives for this year, that's for sure.

We use Motorola's also, but not the type typically used for hunting and the general public. We use a pair generally used by contractors at work sites. My uncle brings them along from his business. They have worked great for us.

I was joking Yeah, I know. There are people out there who don't think about much else, however. I had an uncle who I started out hunting with who dreamed about hunting 24/7. Not much else interested him, which was really a shame. Started thinking about next season the minute the season ended. He got sick and died at 56. He missed out on MANY things in life and I promised myself a good while ago now that I wouldn't follow the same path in my life.

For me in this stage of my life the wife, kids, parents, etc. are way more important to me. Hunting is just a temporary escape for a couple of months each year. I will think about next hunting season NEXT hunting season. Over the years I have learned that one misses out on many things in life simply waiting for the next hunting season.

I for one am glad that it's over. I wish deer hunting was the only thing I had to think and worry about but there are a lot more important things in every day life that need to take priority again.

Sometimes I think we enter the twilight zone when we log onto this website. Maybe the administrators of this site can have that music play when we log on??? Then you could have the AR and crossbow threads use music from the movie "Psycho".

No kidding!! I was really surprised to see that the Adirondacks had that many violations, way more than the other regions. I know it's a big area up there, but then with such a vast area I would think it be less likely to get caught also. I guess the poachers up there are not too smart.