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Same here, I grew up reading his findings. You won the lottery in deer terms by spending some personal time with him. He was a man who seemed to truly love whitetails. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I'm not sure on the details, I heard he had a farm in Bath, NY. For science purposes they may have even microchipped the deer as a fawn to track it through its life cycle. Either way, what a legend Charlie Alsheimer was. I never met the man but felt like my friend died when I heard the news. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I saw that now! Sorry, I jumped ahead and didn't see you had posted it. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

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It was on his private farm in NY. A large chunk that was used for studying deer. The deer were not hunted to my knowledge. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Charles Alsheimer did an 11 yr (I think) study on this very topic. He followed a buck for 12 years, which started as a small spikehorn. At the bucks prime he was 160+". He lived 12 years and died of old age. It's a really cool read if you haven't yet... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Our lease has good genetics, although we see a fair amount of spikes at 1.5, they seem to jump right back in line for the most part when they hit 2.5 yrs old. Not all deer are destined to be big, but judging spikes can be like guessing how big a chicken will get based on the egg.... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

It would be interesting, the first few years of rifle season there was a lot of shots, a lot of people, a lot of deer being killed. Although year after year all of those things seem to be dwindling. I mean it's no secret you will get more deer killed with rifles, especially in ag type areas. I believe the combination of generous permits and rifles, possibly even the Saturday opener plays a large part? Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Agreed. It's not difficult, we all know who you are. You snuck back in, now is the time to let everyone know you're not here because you want to disrupt anything. Own it, apologize, whatever you need to do. I must say you seem to be swinging right back to ol' stormy tactics. It didn't end well for you then and won't this time either. It's really up to you, do you want to be a part of this site or not? There are quirky people on this site who will follow each other no matter what the argument is because they're friends outside of here. If you have a different opinion expect to be in the minority (whether others agree with you or not). There seems to be "alliances" all over the site, you'll quickly learn what/who they are. It's an online site, some people are here for info, some are here to be the good guy, some are here to contest everything because they know it all, some maybe want to make new friends, some just enjoy comradery from people they've never met. You have to ask yourself "Why am I here?" Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I just ordered an aging kit for my bow buck. It'll be interesting to see the results. We're guessing he was between 3.5-5.5. I never liked the visual molar wear, it's too generic and frankly too easy to twist an extra year up or down. Just wondering if anyone here has used cementum annuli aging before and how accurate you thought it was? I have no history with my buck so... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I certainly believe so. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I have hunted the same state land in 7M with a group of 4 guys for the last 15 years or so. I can definitely say that it seems there are less deer there now than before. We would always kill a few deer opening day, now most times noone even lays eyes on one. They do hand out for tags like candy. As far as Hunter numbers go, there are still a fair amount of people there on opening morning, after that it drops off sharply, always has. This year was by far the worst and has us contemplating if we want this tradition to continue or not. I'm sure there are several variables to take into consideration but at the end of the day, there are definitely a lot less deer. Honestly we noticed a steady decline ever since rifles were allowed in Madison county. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

While I'm certainly not a regular at land leases I know that we have a club lease in unit 8F that consists of a lot of farmland (beans and corn), and some hardwoods and a few swamps. Mostly all dry huntable ground. We pay $14/acre to lease it from a few different farmers. That being said the farmers have received stronger offers but the club has leased the property for several years now and have a good relationship/understanding with the owners. It'll continue to climb slowly over the years I'm sure as leasing has gotten really popular as of late. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

I never engaged him and found it quite simple to ignore him if he got silly. I don't think he did anything that some of the people that had the biggest issues with him haven't done right back to him. People like to complain but they were they ones engaging him all of the time. I don't care either way, but even this site isn't void of politics. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Came out awesome Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Hard quartering to shot, no. Hard quartering away I don't like either and I refrain from them whenever I can. If your windage is off in either direction only a matter of inches it will have dramatic effect on your success. You can try to spin this however you like, I have killed a lot of deer with all implements and am very familiar with anatomy and angles and the straight away shot is not a recommended one. Have you ever shot a deer and when/if you recovered it realized that the deer wasn't as broadside or at the angle you thought it was? I have, as have most if not all, now throw that factor into your equation and tell me the results. Or how about shooting from an elevated position? Or shooting up a ridge at an ass? How do you get a bullet into the lungs from an anything but level ground, dead straight away from you angle? You don't. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

That's exactly what I'm getting at here. There are plenty of hunting mentors on this site, how many of you consider that a viable shot worth teaching others? And we're all talking about the effectiveness, of course it can be effective but how many shots have you taken in your life that was several inches from your intended point of impact? We all have, now move that margin of error to an ass shot and you have a disaster. But apparently the hunters defending it never miss their mark by any amount... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

No crusade. Just calling a spade a spade when I see one. Happy Holidays. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

If I had shot a deer in the ass intentionally this year and came into this forum to look for emotional support for my unethical shot, how much support would I get? Would you say, "well it worked for you in the past so it was a good effort I guess?" No you wouldn't, you would tell me to stop shooting deer in the ass. As you should. People are too afraid that God forbid they offend anyone these days it's pathetic. I stand up for what I believe is right/ethical and I'm not afraid to offend someone in the process. There isn't a circle of hunters anywhere that are going to condone ass shooting deer, why should we be any different? Or better yet, how about the kids who kicked the deer in the face repeatedly on video? Now they are trying to spin it as they were trying to kill the deer because they were out of bullets. Should we not judge them either? After all it worked for them.... Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

You're right, let's condone it to be sure the frequent newbies to the site asking advice read that shooting a deer facing away from you is an ethical shot. Then when said newbie takes said shot and comes on here asking what went wrong we can point him to the page where we said it's ok. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Maybe the ethical/moral high horse is a respect for the animals that we hunt. Maybe because some people have the patience to wait for an ethical shot. Maybe because it's people like you that take bad shots then act dumbfounded when they don't find their deer. Maybe because their shown in hunters education to take high percentage shots. Maybe because guys like you will shoot a deer in the ass once and it works out for them but keep your lips tight the 5 other times it didn't. How much meat is damaged with a ribcage hit deer? How far does a deer go when hit in the ribs? And would you stop the whole "my family would starve in the winter months", little house on the prairie garbage? You yourself said you had a bunch of venison you didn't even touch from last year yet! That means you're taking more than you need. There are times for "just getting another bullet into a wounded deer." Your first shot is not one of those times. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

More fish today. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

White Marabou jigs with a pink or green head are always killer. Anything 1/8 Oz and smaller, the smaller sizes have been treating us well lately. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk