I have hunted PA since 1970, and have live in the finger Lakes since 1985 so hunt both states. Back before A/R the does were trimmed back pretty far, doe permits were easy to get and you were permitted a second deer, not just one and done. I hunt 2G. We were failrly successful , some nice bucks, some not. Because of predation, our herd has basicaly stayed the same. we are fortunate to have better habitat due to continuous logging.hunter numbers up north have dropped, by quite a bit in most areas. I think the thing that both states need to answer to the sportsman, is what is best for the overall health of the deer herd? At this point, I don't believe either state can answer that. I also don't like to be told what kind of buck to shoot. I also hate to see the Seniors have too count points.Our local warden told us if we didin't like the amount of deer in our area, sell the camp and go elsewhere.