SPIKER

And I've already filled my tags...at least most of them...everyone knows that the rut is over by gunseason..lol...hence the push for "intrusion"...

Nudnicks are what I see here...uhhh, I thought it was a deer...I'm old, and can't see...can I still mount it? What's that? What did you say? Time to sit on the porch, and drink Ice Tea..or something stronger.. I love those two guys, but really wouldn't trust them in the deer woods without supervision. Would expect nothing less from you Spiker... Good form Buddy : You guys obviously don't understand sarcasm as well...lol

Nudnicks are what I see here...uhhh, I thought it was a deer...I'm old, and can't see...can I still mount it? What's that? What did you say? Time to sit on the porch, and drink Ice Tea..or something stronger.. I love those two guys, but really wouldn't trust them in the deer woods without supervision.

I love the fact that you are in the forefront of this debate. It shows clearly, to all who are watching silently, that your opinions are based soley on prejudice, and your own inability to have a debate without resorting to name calling, bullying..or at least trying..and distorting the facts on the subject at hand. You are the poster boy for the xgun crowd..arrogant, demeaning, and boastful. And really, your not as smart as you think you are. You have trouble comprehending most of what is being said with replies that show your ignorance. I'm starting to pity you more than dislike you at this point.

Actually there is plenty of data out there to negate your belief, just look at the other states that recently included crossbows. As for your different breed theory, you need to get around a little more, people are pretty much the same wherever you go. I've been all over the world, and in every state in the country..trust me, we are a different breed, and the rest of the country are the first ones to point it out, except for CA, where there are mostly NY transplants anyway..damn liberals gravitate towards one another. I'm not sure how bad the road hunting is by you, but that is the biggest problem around here. And it always starts opening day of the rifle season. And before you say a xgun is too big to fire from a vehicle, you have to realize that the bed of a pickup will be the perfect platform, as well as the mini vans with sliding doors on both sides. And as far as data, let's wait until two seasons have passed before using completely different areas as models.

Now I'm convinced that you can't be any older than 14 -16 years old. Maybe your mother should see what your up to, and the disrespect you show your elders. I'm sure she thinks she raised you better. And for the record, it's not "my" bowseason, it's "our" bowseason. The State of New York

Unfortunately, there has been a lot of name calling. It amazes me how people will talk to one another when they are not face to face. That survey is not representative of my feelings on any topic. Youth hunts...youths should be able to hunt with an adult at the start of any regular season. I won't get on that one here, we have enough saving of the world to do with these xguns...

Guns normally rely on igniting an charge which is the energy behind the projectile, thus the name "firearms"The energy of a projectile fired from a crossbow comes from the stored enegy in a set of bow limbs; big difference. Guns are generally fired by placing the stock into your shoulder, using a scope as an aiming device, then pulling the trigger to "project" the projectile. We can argue symantics all day long, but if you think that a xgun is a bow, then you are mistaken...it is neither, which brings into question the validity of it being included into a season designated for "bow only". Give it it's own season, preferably eating into the rifle season, and be done with it. But, try to bring it into the bow season, and that's where the fight begins.

If it's a bow...mounted on a stock, can you think of what else is mounted on a stock? A barrel? Maybe a trigger? Scope? Night Optics? The whole point of the anti xgun debate is that it is not a bow. And therefore, if not a bow, than what? Maybe it's a gun? Or rather, a cross between a bow, and gun..so why not call it a xgun instead of a xbow. This battle will be fought with words, so why not start with proper definitions to kick it off in the right direction?

I won't. I don't like loudmouth internet bullies. Sitsintrees has proven himself to be a total joke. NY antler and skyhunter are close behind....all blather and no substance, and nowhere near as clever as they think they are. SteveB and WestNYbuck are sarcastic and close minded, but not total idiots. If you are looking for a rational and reasoned discussion...I don't think we will find one here. hey maybe you and ole Ludmilla/grows alot should meet up and go on a date :D :D .... Now you have escalated to a racist homophobe...lmao...

I see after reading the 5 or so pages that I have missed that our resident loudmouth bullie Sits on his azz is also a RACIST. Wow, I think someone has to lay off the hard stuff before posting. That commie rant of his really puts anything he has to say as complete, and utter nonsense. The xgunners should hang him from the tree he sits in so they at least have a fair chance.

Once again you prove that you cannot be objective, and can only use dergatory language in place of a well educated, well spoken debate. I do believe that xguns in the BOW SEASON will result in more hunter accidents, and because it hasn't happened yet, there is no data to refer to...at least here in NY, where as a NYer, you know there are a different breed of people than anywhere else in this country, except maybe NJ. You really have to ask yourself who will be shooting a xgun? It's not likely the hardcore bowhunter..rather the gun hunter who wants so badly to hunt during the bowseason, but can't seem to connect with that dastardly weapon...but hey..the xgun is the answer, or so he thinks...wrong! Now we have guys doing drives, still hunting, and bringing all other gun tactics into the bow woods...while we are all wearing camo...no thanks. This thread can go on for the next ten years, and it will be the same fight, over, and over...it's us, against you..plain, and simple. But at least have the decency to be an adult, and explain yourself in a civil manner so that maybe xgunners will at least have a chance in the debate without looking like..well, I'll leave the name calling to you guys...

Yes, and yes.... ;D

Same here. To find such a hornet's nest right here in my own home state has opened my eyes to the clear, and present danger that exists, prompting me to be more active in the pursuit against xgun inclusion.

????????? WTF are you talking about, and what does it have to do with what we are talking about?!

Skyhunter...you have well thought out ideas, and are right on the money with most of them. The thing I can't figure out is why you don't see why bowhunters don't want "inclusion". This is a term for those that feel that it is allright, or rather "their" right to force their way into a season with a weapon that would otherwise be "excluded" had it not been for their insistance that it be, regardless of the definition of said weapon. Plain, and simple...learn how to use the weapon that is legal in the season it is intended for instead of trying to force your way into a season with another weapon that gives you a better opportunity. I have said this before, if we can't all agree, then let's just have an all out free for all..just call it ""Deer Season", and use whatever you want...that would settle any, and all disputes by way of attrition. Damn it..I can't believe it..swear to god, there's a show on Showtime right now called "Leaves of Grass", and the main character, Ed Norton just got shot in the back with a crossbow...holy chit, you just can't make this stuff up....wow..

Thanks all; happy to be here. Sorry I went a little hard and heavy with that post, but in our world where inclusion is vital, the exclusionary mindset really gets to me.Not that it should matter any in this debate, but I also shoot a Hoyt Dorado recurve bow. Pretty fancy way of saying that you want the law to change so that you can shoot a xgun during the regular archery season...plain, and simple. Hi, I don't because I am a "Bowhunter" that participates in a crazy little thing we call, "Bowseason".

And the clock ticks, as the mad Google search ensues.....

Nonsense. The controversy has been created by crossbow pushers like you who demand that crossbows be allowed in bow season. NYB is simply trying to protect bow hunting and bow hunters. Remember, crossbows have always been illegal. It is preposterous that you would blame NYB for creating the controversy. Support each other? LMFAO. Then crossbow hunters should support bowhunters, too. The door swings both ways. An easy way to do that is to find a different season, instead of forcing their way into ours, where they have always been illegal, where they will never belong. Well said. It's always the people who want to abide by the law who are accused of undermining the collective. It's pretty obvious that the people who want to force their way into a season that excludes them are the ones not respecting their fellow hunters. If you really want to push the whole, "Hey, can't we all just get along" BS, then respect the regulations, and we can all move on...in peace.

Further proof you guys are living in the past. The future is nothing less than the xgunners vs. the bowhunters, and if they include the xgun into the archery season, we have lost. But, if we can successfully keep inclusion to only the rifle season, and late mz...we will have won, and you will not see many xguns at all after a few years. And, nice diversionary tactic by only addressing the comic book reference..it was to be expected.

Bub? Who are you? Wolverine? Lol...the language that includes phrases such as "your, or "my" buck" seem to be that of the xgunners. Nobody is going to shoot "my buck", because I don't have a buck that is "mine" until I kill it. All these pages, and you pushers still don't get it...why waste my breath...you guys should go over to AT where no one can badmouth xguns without getting banned...you should see the plotters at work.

Wait till I see crossow hunters during BOW season. It'll happen this year...crossbow hunters are outlaws. I'm sure of it. I will bet that whomever it is will also claim that they did not understand the rules...oh how I would love to be there when a guy with an xgun tells the Warden.."But it 's a bow".....LMFAO

I feel exactly the same way arrow...pretty simple logic behind this reasoning.

Just checked Webster's online - not one thing for crossgun, x gun or anything similar. I did find the following for crossbow: http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/crossbow">crossbow</a> a weapon that shoots arrows and that consists of a short bow attached to a longer piece of wood ??? ;D Excellent research Steve. And that's exactly what they were before the ultra modern x guns of today with composite tactical stocks dipped in camo with Weaver style clamps that can accept an HHA adjustable scope mount. It shows that there isn't even a definition for what we are dealing with today.

It goes both ways arrow, why is it that you or NYB should force your opinions on everyone and say who "needs" a crossbow and who doesnt? The dishonesty comes from your side of things constantly. For instance, who is saying crossbows and compounds are identical? Sure they are different, just not different enough to not be in the same season. That is what people are saying, but you try and twist it into something it isnt. You are just about one of the most perfect examples of why I, and many other bowhunters, are against x guns. You are practically their poster boy. You have no sense of honesty, or decency. You are poorly educated. You do not have the ability to comprehend other's points of views without trying to bully, and or character assassinate them, to make your point seem credible. You will probably have to use on online dictionary to even understand what I am saying to you now. You see, if you don't want to debate x guns, and would rather personally attack people...it's on..you sound like a little turd that watches too much MMA, and thinks his typing fingers can put someone in an armbar..lol. Sits in Trees..you are no better than your Siamese reject here. CulvertCreek...good luck, and I hope you, and your dad can get out there. Nothing can replace moments like that.