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On 4/8/2021 at 4:05 PM, Belo said:
it's more about the weed killers and what not for me. But I like a nice lush and full lawn idk...
I totally understand wanting a lush lawn. I mow 4 acres though so I’m in no hurry to make it grow faster :-)
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I could never understand using fertilizer on a lawn. Food plots, yes....lawn, no!
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4 hours ago, Elmo said:
Many years ago, I worked for a company that moved it's operations to Washington DC. I was forced to make a decision. Either I change my life and moved to DC or I leave the company and stay in NY. They forced me to make a decision. I'm suing.
How is being told to take an experimental drug or get fired anything like your example??
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7 minutes ago, phade said:
Slippery slope. I'm sure it'll be a hot topic. You voluntarily work at an employer, you're not forced to do anything. It's also their place of employment, too.
If you’re told to take an experimental drug or lose your livelihood, you’re definitely being forced to make a decision....do I stay so I can support my family, or do I lose seniority by starting a new job, possibly making less money?
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There is no way an employer should be allowed to force employees to take a “vaccine”. My body, my choice.
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That was well thought out and nicely written. I’m so happy to be in Florida where common sense is prevailing. Imagine a world where you can go into a store without a mask and nobody says anything. Florida is one of the states that gets it. That’s not to say there aren’t people still living in fear. Last night I watched a guy by himself walk down my empty street with a mask on. Really???
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On 3/9/2021 at 1:58 PM, left field said:
We're listening to Canadians now?
You’re right, what was I thinking? They haven’t been to medical school.
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On 3/9/2021 at 9:31 AM, Salmon_Run said:
If it's on the internet it must be a true and accurate information source....
I find it very interesting that any doctor with a different opinion on covid is immediately written off as a quack.
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It’s time to stop living in fear. Canadian doctors speak up.
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On 3/5/2021 at 7:20 AM, knehrke said:
You are comparing apples and oranges with your graphic on masks. It's like comparing the buck take during bow versus during gun and saying that the weapon is the reason, without considering maybe there's just more people in the woods. The second surge has historically been worse than the first in pandemics. There are some statistics that suggest masks aren't as great as folks claim, but that's not one of them.
Onto the topic of this thread: vaccines. Over a month ago, someone reported that several close friends ended up in the ICU from the vaccine. I tried to follow up on that, with no success. I also dived into the adverse reactions database to look for actual reported cases of adverse reactions requiring hospitalization, but consistent with my observations, there doesn't seem to be a significant impact beyond a day or mild myalgia or cold symptoms or a headache.
Does anyone have personal knowledge of a bona fide vaccine reaction with a severe adverse outcome? Please, no internet rumors or woman who had to have her appendix removed type stories. I'm honestly intrigued. With all of the vaccine concern, it's been long enough and enough folks through the pipeline that we should be able to put fears of short-term consequences at least to bed.
The key is “short term”. So far all I’ve seen from family and friends is a day or so of slight fever, chills, and soreness. Now, the unknown long term effects are what truly concern me and my reason for refusing to get the vaccine. NOBODY knows what they are.
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7 minutes ago, Chef said:
As of now the death rate of vaccined Americans is about 1-10,000,000 you tell me If that’s worse than covid or not
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkhttps://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/government-database-shows-7-844-injuries-and-181-deaths-following-covid-vaccine-as-of-jan-15-says-childrens-health-defense-301217037.html
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38 minutes ago, Chef said:
Yes no one in the trial group for either Pfizer or Moderna was hospitalized or died from covid.
Is there something you are not understanding ?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs that still your belief now? Nobody has been injured or died from all these injections? Btw - you never mentioned you were speaking of the trial group.
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9 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:
As a scientist and someone who’s involved in reviewing scientific papers submitted for publication, I’m tempted to give you a primer on how science publishing works. I will resist for now.
I must say that I am delighted with non-scientist reading the primary literature and reviews. Much of this work is funded by taxpayer dollars and ultimately the work is for everyone to learn from. Unfortunately, if you are going to read a paper on a topic in which you’re inexperienced, you much approach the subject matter with the explicit acknowledgement of your relative ignorance. Personally, I do that all the time, especially when I delve outside of my field. We can’t have “science” fall victim to meme culture, where people share a screenshot of an article that bears a title supporting their position. That isn’t how science is supposed to work and it really undermines the whole process. Scientist are often wrong, but that’s not a bug it’s a feature of operating at the boundary of knowledge. Well executed studies work hard to acknowledge and account for potential known and unknown errors and biases. Over time, I truly believe that the truth wins out. Results that can’t be replicated are revealed and disagreements between scientists lead to open discussion (and subsequent experiments) that aim to uncover the cause of misalign outcomes or interpretations.
I won’t go into the specifics (or into the pros and cons) of scientific journal impact factor, but the article you shared isn’t published in a reputable journal. Furthermore, if you look at what the authors have previously published, it’s clear that neither of them is an expert on immunology, microbiology, epidemiology, or even basic human physiology. It turns out that they run an orthopedic clinic where they peddle homeopathic remedies. In the scientific world, such low quality articles will disappear over time or they will be cited as an example of poor science. For these authors, they have no reputational stake in the scientific community so they have very little to lose by having their names attached to such garbage. Rather, the infamy generated by it will make it easier for potential orthopedic patients to find them and they are likely to make even more money as a consequence. Like with news, a certain level of literacy is required when delving into original research. I encourage you to develop said literacy and if you’re interested I’m happy to point you toward reputable sources.
Thanks for the honest, respectful response. I obviously have no scientific background (retired USCG mechanic) and don’t have the time or inclination to go back to school. I’m being totally honest when I say I don’t understand how so many dr’s with an opposing point of view are completely dismissed, blacklisted, and canceled. My suspicion is because of the money involved. It’s very well documented that covid death numbers are hugely inflated. If someone has covid but dies of something else, there are instances of the death certificate listing covid as the cause of death. Hospitals get more money for covid deaths of Medicare patients, that’s a fact.
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1 hour ago, Chef said:
Ok so you understand wrong... vaccines in general do not prevent a virus from entering your body. They prevent you from developing clinical diseases. The Pfizer and moderna are 95% effective at this. They are 100% effective at preventing hospitalization and death. This would allow society to return to normal. As far as transmission goes. It most likely will stop
Transmission they just can’t say for sure yet.
Get better news sources
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey are 100% effective at preventing hospitalization and death?
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1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:
Hey man, your body, your choice. But if you want to base your decision on scientific work, there’s a large body of literature to examine. This study is poor and certainly shouldn’t speak to any informed decision to vaccinate or not.
https://rapidreviewscovid19.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/gx1htw96/release/2https://rapidreviewscovid19.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/8doshze4/release/2
Like you said....my body, my choice. Cheers!
27 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:It's actually not a matter of which scientist(s) you want to believe. There are many quack scientists out there. It's a matter of the body of evidence. Objectively research hydroxychloroquine and COVID and you will find that the overwhelming evidence of the highest quality shows no benefit. If you do not want to get the vaccine, that is fine, but don't base that decision on misinformation.
Absolutely there are quack scientist’s out there, on both sides of this issue. What really amazes and saddens me is how intolerant you guys are of differing views.
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11 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:
Hey man, your body, your choice. But if you want to base your decision on scientific work, there’s a large body of literature to examine. This study is poor and certainly shouldn’t speak to any informed decision to vaccinate or not.
https://rapidreviewscovid19.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/gx1htw96/release/2https://rapidreviewscovid19.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/8doshze4/release/2
Like you said....my body, my choice. Cheers!
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56 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:
So you think this "study" of 100 patients in a single NJ hospital, with a finding of "could", not does, not did, not would, not will, is more substantial than all the data the FDA looked at across the entire country?
This is fake news. Hydroxychoroquine has been proven to not be effective.
It all depends on what scientists you want to believe. Fauci? I’ll pass.
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3 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:
You're not getting the vaccine because you have hydroxycholoroquine? In Feb 2021? Even your ordinary Trumpist wouldn't endorse this nonsense.
3 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:You're not getting the vaccine because you have hydroxycholoroquine? In Feb 2021? Even your ordinary Trumpist wouldn't endorse this nonsense.
Well, I , guess I’m not your ordinary trumpist. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I make it a point to not belittle people with different beliefs, you should try it.
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I’m 65 years old and in good health, and I will not be getting the vaccine. There are too many unknowns for me to be comfortable with it. It was rushed to market faster than any other vaccine, there was no animal testing conducted (a first), and no long term studies. I’m amazed at the number of people who say “I got it and I feel fine”. Aren’t they concerned about what may happen at some point down the road? After the vaccine you can still get it and pass it on? Masks are still required after getting it? There are scientists on both sides of the issue. I choose to listen to the ones who have voiced serious concerns about the vaccine. If you listen to the other side, that’s your choice too.
There are a lot of doctors worldwide who swear by the hydroxychloroquine, D3, and zinc protocol, and that’s what I’m on. Time will tell who is correct.
Yes, this disease is deadly, but not deadly enough to warrant the reaction by world governments. Curfews in Quebec from 8:00pm-5:00am? Really?? Children, the population with the lowest risk, out of school, unable to play with their friends, etc. Large stores open but Mom and Pop stores are too dangerous?? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I believe there are a lot of things at play here that we don’t know about.
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Thank you everyone. I’m still going through withdrawals here. Merry Christmas!
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12/3
I was called by a hunter last night that reported shooting a buck at 240 yards. The first shot was a clean miss,the second connected and the buck dropped at the shot, thrashed around, then got up and ran off. My first thought was this is a high back hit, but then he went on to say they found what looked to be evidence of it being gutshot. This didn’t add up, but to be on the safe side I scheduled the track for this morning. We started in the field at the hit site, and Luna took us to the drop of blood they had found in the woods. Before that, we saw the gutshot evidence was actually clumpy poop. There were a lot of live deer in the area evidenced by Luna going hot a few times. Also, a neighbor was in his stand and told us he had 9 doe and a spike run by him. We found a couple drops of blood further up the trail, but nothing after that. Multiple restarts from the field and from last blood produced no evidence of a fatally hit deer. We covered 2.8 miles circling through the woods before calling it. I believe we have a high back hit and this buck is still alive.
This concludes our tracking season......heading to Florida. Hope everyone has a good winter. The good Lord willing, we’ll do this again next season. 90 tracks with 32 recoveries.
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11/3011/29 - Last night Luna and I went to the Wellesley Island State Park to track a bow shot deer. The buck had been slightly quartering to, and the hunter thought he had a one lung hit. The arrow had passed through, coming out a short distance down the trail. We arrived 4 hours after the shot. The buck had been tracked several hundred yards before the blood trail was lost and the hunter wisely backed out without grid searching. We had light blood for 500 yards, but the hunter reported seeing several pools earlier where the buck had stopped and stood there. Luna was sometimes working just downwind of the blood, so we didn’t see it all. I didn’t look at my gps to see how far in we were, but Luna went hot and we could clearly smell a rutting buck. This happened three times and I thought we were going to get close enough for me to dispatch him. I was sure we were on the right buck, but it was nice to finally see one drop of blood on a leaf after 900 yards of not seeing anything. We put up ribbon, marked it on the gps, and are coming back in the morning.11/30 - This morning we went to our ribbon marking last blood and Luna picked up where we left off. We were about 100 yards into it when Luna went hot and led us to the edge of a swamp with deep pools. I was really hoping the buck had died overnight, but that wasn’t the case. She indicated he had had gone into the swamp, and we could see where the water had been stirred up in the deep part. There was a very small island about 50 or 60 yards out, then about 30 yards further was the mainland. We decided to hike out and drive around to come in from the other side to see if he had come out. Once there, I worked Luna along the shore of the mainland, hoping she would pick up the track again. She didn’t, so I picked her up and we waded out to the small island to try there. I could see a sheen in the water near the shore where it appeared he may have walked out of the swamp, but I don’t know where he went from there. Luna never got back on him, so I guess it’s possible he went back into the swamp. I think the hunter was correct when he suspected a one lung hit.#2At noon today, we went to track a buck shot yesterday afternoon. Despite a very thorough search of the area, white hair at the hit site was the only evidence of a hit.#3This track was for a buck shot at 300 yards. The .270’s first shot was a miss, the second was believed to be a shoulder hit, the third shot was a possible hit, but not positive about it. The hunter had tracked for 150 yards before losing the blood trail. Luna and I started the track at the edge of the woods where the deer was shot and she quickly took us to the hunter’s point of loss and into a marshy area. At this point it became obvious something had happened there as Luna was tracking in big circles. It appeared to me that coyotes had most likely been chasing the buck....we’ve seen it many times. The hunter stated they had coyotes very close when they backed out last night and I’m pretty sure that’s what happened here. On a funny note, at the end of this cold rainy track, Luna led me right out of the woods and sat down by the truck door. She’s never done that before. It may have been her way of saying this deer is alive and you really need to get the heater going in the truck.
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11/29
I was called last night by an excited and nervous hunter. He told me he had shot the biggest buck of his life, and he and his buddy had tracked a little blood for about 50 yards. After losing blood, they backed out without grid searching. Well done! This buck only went 250 yards and we found him in his first bed. It turns out he was hit way back and would have gone a long way if he had been pushed. Congratulations Cameron on a gorgeous buck!
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11/28
Kunox sprained his leg while tracking on Thanksgiving so he’s on the injured reserve. He’s on some pain meds for a few days and we’ll see how he’s doing then. Luna is openly taunting him about getting all the tracks.
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Luna and I tracked a buck this morning that had been shot yesterday afternoon. The hunter and a friend had tracked for 250 yards and bumped the deer out of a bed. They wisely backed out at that point. Luna quickly took us past last blood and beyond, then at 0.8 miles, the 10 pointer was found dead in his second bed. I wasn’t there for the field dressing, but the shot looked to be in the liver area.
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The hunter on this track is a neighbor of the hunter we had our 7.58 mile track with earlier this week. We were on some of the same property we had tracked on then. Lots of rocky outcroppings and small ravines.
This buck had been shot yesterday afternoon. Luna took some time to get through the grid searched area, but then locked on and we were off to the races. At about the 1/2 mile mark, Luna went hot and we went close to 800 yards further with no blood. I stopped her and told the group of 7 that were accompanying us that I was considering a restart, and if Luna came back the same way, we’d continue on further. At that point, one of the guys said he saw some blood on a tree about 100 yards back. Well, that changes everything! Go get ‘em Luna. In a very short period of time we started to regularly see blood, and we got our first look at the buck. He was about 100 yards in front of us and it was obvious he was hurting as he ran off. The hunter took a shot but didn’t connect. I wasn’t watching the gps, but we went probably close to a mile before we saw him again. And again, a shot was taken but didn’t connect. We continued on, occasionally getting close enough for Luna to open up on it. At the 3.6 mile mark, he was found in his final bed and was dispatched by the hunter. The original shot had hit high on his left rear leg.
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Luna and I went to track a buck that had left a lot of white hair at the hit site. The hunter had tracked a small amount of blood for 200 yards, then had lost the trail. Luna showed us 1 drop of blood 200 yards beyond there, but that was it. We ended up searching 2.2 miles worth, but never saw any more blood or sign of the buck.
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2021 Lawn Thread
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Great looking place!