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My son came home from school today and said they just saw a buck in the road and the bus had to stop for it. I asked him where and he said in front of the farm. I asked what farm, he said the farm we hunt at. That figures!
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Just go shoot. I have geese hunters 200 yards from my stand sometimes and the deer pay no attention to them at all, they don't even look.
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Start shooting some does.
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18 minutes ago, steve863 said:
I think some of you are over thinking this blood trail issue here. So are some of you saying that people shouldn't hunt with proven deer calibers like a .270 and .30-06 because deer don't bleed enough shot with these rounds? What type of blood trails are you expecting? The only time you will be following blood is if you made a poor shot. I know $#!+ can happen, but the goal should be to make a hit where you won't be needing to trail blood. If you hit a deer where you are supposed to behind the shoulder in the vitals, he may run a bit, but in the majority of cases he will drop within sight and there will be absolutely no need to trail blood. Exactly how much blood would you expect if a deer dashes for 50-100 yards after a mortal hit and then drops dead? The deers movement alone may restrict blood from flowing out. And a deer can cover 50-100 yards awful quick! In my opinion, if you hit the deer where you are supposed to, the amount of blood that will pour out of it won't matter in the least.
The only time you will be following blood is if you made a poor shot....say what?
A few years ago I double lunged a buck at 15 yards, he went 200 yards before he dropped and we never found more then 8 or 9 little drops of blood. Last year I double lunged one at 25 yards, blood every where. It looked like somebody painted the ground red. He only went about 50 yards and dropped. So same shot, same gun, two very different blood trails. So you can make a perfect shot and have to follow blood.
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21 hours ago, ApexerER said:
There are a lot of people, a lot more experienced than me on this forum so take this for what it is worth. What my experience has taught me is that calling doesn't hurt and may help. I have played with the doe bleat can, fawn call, buck grunt etc, numerous times while I have had deer in site. I have had deer look my way numerous times and I have had them completely ignore me. What I have never had them do is spook and run off. Rattling, I haven't figured out yet but what I think I may have figured out is that it also doesn't hurt. I bought a rattle bag a couple of years ago and like you it seemed crazy to me to make all that noise in the woods after trying to be so quiet. But bordem led me to trying it a few times. 90% of the time nothing came from it but a few times I have had small bucks come in 5-10 minutes after. Now this could also be coincidence but if it is, then the rattling didn't hurt and maybe it helped. Just this past Sunday I sat and it got to be 9:30 maybe 10am and I hadn't seen a deer. I decided to rattle and beat the bag for probably a solid minute. Maybe 10 minutes later I catch movement at my 2 o'clock probably 75 yds away. Get my bino's up and it is a buck moving through the woods. Just catching glimpses of him here and there where I could see far enough to see him I watched him for at least 5 minutes. Tried grunting, nothing, tried the can nothing. I thought about rattling again but I didn't until I couldn't see him for at least 20 minutes. Would I have seen that buck if I hadn't rattled before hand? Who knows.....if I had hit the bag maybe he would have ran right over to me....I don't know. The only thing I know for sure is that rattling didn't hurt....give it a shot...give it all a shot....who knows what might happen. Maybe you will learn something you can share with all of us!
I rattle bucks in all the time, if you rattle at the wrong time it can hurt a lot. I've seen bucks run away after rattling. That's ok though it's made me better at it. You saw a buck 75 yards out, he was looking for were it was coming from. Next time just do a light rattle to him when you see them walking like that, but NEVER do it while they are looking at you. It can take an hour for a buck to get to you after hearing the rattling. I rattled one in the other day and it took him 35 minutes to get to me and he wasn't looking to fight, he was looking for the hot doe, he was sniffing the air non-stop. Most bucks won't run right to you, although I've had that happen. So next time you can see one and they aren't looking towards you just give them a light rattle and see what happens. I'm no expert by any means but you will learn something every time you see one after rattling.
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I use a .270 and I get very little blood as well. The holes are so small going in and only once Have I gotten a pass through with it.
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Love hunting a full moon morning. Always see deer. 3 bucks by 8:15 yesterday morning,
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26 minutes ago, Belo said:
i still don't think you're comprehending what I'm saying. I'm stating what the average and even an above average hunter considers his/her max. Not considering western hunters, olympians and tournament champions. But the 40 hour a week family man who shoots his bow in his backyard.
You said a compound had a max range of 30-35 yards, you never said anything about a person having that max range. I would argue that most people aren't comfortable shooting a crossbow farther then that either. So what's the difference which one is used?
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10 minutes ago, Belo said:
Even if I backed off 60 and went down to 50 for a crossbow, that's still a good advantage vs the average max range of 30-35 for the compound.
A compound doesn't have a max range of 30-35, it's double that at least. Just because you might feel maxed out at that range doesn't mean everybody is.
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42 minutes ago, Belo said:
so what? 98% of bowhunters don't have the time or ability to achieve those distances. I've been shooting for over 15 years and no way I'm taking that shot. 80+% of crossbow hunters can get their in an afternoon.
tell me you're just arguing and don't really fail to see the difference?
I understand what you are saying, but with the bows we have now days it's not that big a difference between 30 yards and 40 yards.
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6 minutes ago, Belo said:
you didn't read the whole thing. The range of the crossbow is much easier to be effective at a greater distance with far less practice. Most can be proficient at 50 to 60 in an afternoon. To get that distance with a compound it takes a lot more practice and effort. I bet there's only a small handful of archers on this forum who will confidently shoot a deer over 40 with their compound.
So you have to practice more maybe, so what?
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On 10/31/2017 at 9:39 AM, Belo said:
I'm not sure irrelevant... point is, do you agree that the range of a crossbow is greater than that of a compound given only a small amount of practice with both?
No the range of a crossbow is not greater. Crossbows use a smaller bolt and lose to much kinetic energy to be more effective. The effective range of a crossbow is out to about 60 yards, yet, I have seen 90 yard shots on animals with a compound. So the myth that it is the same as shooting a rifle is just that, a myth.
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Crossbows not being allowed during the bow season is stupid. The bottom line is this, it is an arrow being shot by a string. It has absolutely no effect on a guy that wants to use a compound instead. Just like that guy has no effect on a guy that uses a recurve. None of it, not one thing about crossbow inclusion would effect anybody elses hunt. Come Saturday my father and I will share the woods, him with his crossbow, me with my compound and guess what? It makes no difference in my hunt what he is using.
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Rattling should be really taking off I would think. Got a small buck going by my stand on camera last week, his right side antler is gone and the left side is broken off half way down it looks like. My dad said he should learn to pick on someone his own size.
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5 hours ago, gfdeputy2 said:
Gotta watch it for the entertainment value kind of like watching WWE or in my time the WWF Wrestling You know it isn't real going into it
WWE isn't real? Crap I've been wasting my time all these years!
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The term "mature buck". Exactly what is a mature buck? How old he is? His rack size? I shot a spike a few years ago that the biologist said was 8.5 years old. Is that a "mature buck"? Someone might see a 2.5 year old as mature, but someone else will say it's just a young deer and it hasn't matured yet. Think about it, if you think it's rack size, some deer grow racks faster then other deer. I just think that term "mature buck" is wrong.
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On 10/28/2017 at 6:18 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:
I stop them but I will say that more than once I've made the MURRRP sound to do it and had a deer turn inside out and bug out of there. I wondered if they've heard that sound before and had an arrow whistle by lolLast year I did it and the buck jumped about a foot straight up in the air and landed and just stood there looking my way. I started laughing and he took off. The next week he stopped on his own and and I put an arrow in his lungs. I don't know if I did it to loud or what, but it made me laugh like crazy.
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Glad he is ok, but damn! 22 feet up!! I saw a guy once that was twice that high. I told him he was an idiot. My ladder stands are from 12 feet to 17 feet and they are plenty high enough. Most of my hunting and kills come from the 12 footer which is my number one stand.
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Don't you all know? You're not supposed to stop the deer anymore. I just watched a show yesterday and the guy said you can't make any noise to stop the deer, because they become used to hearing it and it won't work anymore. Seriously the guy said this! He said to stop them you have to hang some scent right were you want them to stop.
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I gave it a shot this morning, but nothing. Although a buck did go through at 100 yards before that.
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Nothing wrong with it. I got open bottles of scent I have used for years and I swear the longer I've had it the better it is.
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I have a ladder stand that is 12 feet, and I am in the open like that when the leaves fall, but I don't have any problem. A doe spotted me last year from like 60 yards out but 5 minutes later a buck came in from the same direction and never knew I was there. You just have to be really careful with your movements.
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My scouting consists of setting up cameras at the end of August. We've been hunting our property for years so we already know everything we need to about the deer.
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31 minutes ago, Bow sniper said:
The only day I can hunt is on Sunday this week and it's giving rain all day will the deer b moving or am I wasting my time
They will move in the rain. In fact I just read a study the other day that found that deer actually move a lot in the rain. I've always seen a lot of deer in the rain.
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I can't stand hunting shows any more, but I do tape them and watch them. I want to see the hunting part so doing it that way I can fast forward through all the talking, or like I saw today 2 guys trying to rap. So I get to watch them in about 5 to 10 minutes now, but I have no real favorites. I actually watch youtube more, they are actually real hunts.