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Funny how you said earlier ...several times ..... that the deer need to actually have the Scraps in their mouth and now your saying they don't need to be present...by the way I have relatives that live on lake Ontario ...actually owned a camp ground there...Deer ate the fish that washed up on the shore all the time....protein is protien to them....

Oh so now you decide to throw out an amount of juice used....Oh if your walking around with a shot glass worth of apple juice to attract deer...your better off peeing off your stand : ...and no I'm not obsessed with thinking every ones doing things illegal...it's in blk and wht that he put out the scraps...but as I said before you best go ask a DEC officer how the law is interpreted

I posted this because they also mentioned that he has many pics of bear on his cams off other property...now we have bear here...infact DEC routinely tag winter den bear near here....While at a DEC meeting up the road the officers had to go to a bear complaint a mile away....I just last week tracked a bear thorough the snow from the neighbors in a lrg U around our place and he passed 10-20yrds behind 3 of my cams...not once in front of them yet this guys getting many pics ...he submits to contests.....hhhmmm :

Ya know you have been so hung up on the wording of the law In New York, it is illegal to feed deer and moose by putting out any material that attracts them to feed.... It never says ANY where that the deer need to be actually FEEDING....just ATTRACTED to FEED....That is the crutch of it so make your jokes about licking the camera and the other childish comments you made ..it doesn't change the facts...and like I said ...Get on the phone and ask a DEC officer..Ohh by the way yep pouring apple juice on the ground ...causing them to eat the dirt in that spot...illegal...I actually asked that ? of a DEC sergant

The above is off the DEC web sight...Please take note...That he was charged with ...Violating regulations against FEEDING DEER and placing a salt block on lands inhabitated by deer ...Two separate things ALSO take note NEVER was it mentioned a deer was any where to be seen at the time...bye the way they were called out fro feeding and baiting ...YET...only charges were on the feeding of...hhhmmm

Years ago after someone messed up 8m and they started to drastically reduce doe tags ...I started to see huge increases in 8N's doe tag #'s....I called the DEC and said I wanted to do deer reports...because they weren't taking into account that 8M guys were loading up on 8N tags now. They needed to see what was happening before they screwed up 8N as well....What I got was reports saying to monitor 8H that's were it was needed....Here we are....they had to cut the # of doe tags in half last year in 8N...they kept sending me things to do reports for 8H and I just kept scratching out and sending back 8N info When they feel they have no need to listen to the ppl out in the field ...for me daily and I'm sure many others...ie loggers that hunt..hell even UPS guys that hunt...then they are doomed to consistently have to play the "Oooppsss fix it game"

You are so far off base on this ...I do hunt to feed our family...in fact I taught our kids to do the same....We are a one income family ...#one reason....it was costing us too much for me to work out side the home than what I was making...He pays the bills I feed us....I have a 180 x80 foot garden...maintain fruit and nut trees... berries and I start all my own plants....maintain the property and butcher all I kill...He has a inherited serious problem with cholesterol and deer meat is the only red meat he eats....I raised two kids in 4-H and they were on all kinds of sports....so yes there are ppl out there that hunt to feed the family...and we are surrounded by home schooling.... fairly self sufficient ppl ...that do the same That doesn't mean that I'm not picky about what I shoot...2 doe last year...but the size that I choose is not in the rack...but in the bulk...because I learned a long time ago....It takes as many steps and is as big a pain to butcher a small deer as it is a big deer....big deer cut down on the # of times I have to do it..

Thanks...I go through this every year...they show up to eat what ever they are scratching up out there...a month before the season opens and then they are gone....It takes me half a month and a lot of moving around to get them into range...but hens...they come in and walk around me ..usually make such a fuss I have a hard time not laughing out loud...but alas it all just makes the hunt more fun Good Luck to you as well

PS ...so much for assumptions

Funny you should say that...for I'll more than likely never be picked as a juror in my county again I was a foreman and the case was with a guy that was actually guilty...We went in with everyone saying this will be quick...but alas the police made a mistake and it was a pure case of entrapment...I actually had them call us all back in to give definitions and another clear round of what our instructions were....I wasn't happy about it but hey the law is the law and he was deemed not guilty..which stuck

Talk about reading comprehension......Those were questions and a hypothesis as to why the question was asked. Where as your... was conjecture and a lame attempt at an insult...

Bye the way...I do need to ask ...where you Nixon supporters and did you like Bill Clinton? because your reasoning's really bring them to mind...lets see..."If the president does it, it's not illegal"...and "I never had sex with that woman" OK....hhmmm...hahaha

Actually I'm not assuming any thing...but it is curiously humorous how much, a couple of you, are assuming...You have inferred the Scrapes as those of meat ...when nothing was EVER mentioned as what the scrapes were...only that several animals were attracted to the area and the deer was one of them...infact too many crows to count...The tactic of deflecting the "Scraps" attraction in making references to fish on a deck or gut piles ..rotting carcasses for carnivorous animals is lame at best... It was stated that he placed out a pile of scraps in front of the cameras to attract animals ...at least one of those was a deer and in the wording of NY State law that is illegal period...but I will part with this simple suggestion...try very hard to find a ECO that actually knows the law....give them the information ...with out the name...and get the answer

We all get so caught up in weed killing....fertilizing.... liming ...what seeds to plant and tilling ....but we see little mention of our biggest partners in these plotting endeavors...the earth worm...night crawls..red worms...ect... They are our natural fertilizers...soil aerators..our friends. They eat our left over tubulars....dead roots and green manure. They enrich the soil with wonderful rich droppings...and we...well we stumble along killing thousands of them every year without a passing thought and not on purpose. So when we our out there checking our soil ,take along a soil fork or spade some early cool morning. Pull up a clump of ground...check and see how well our little friends are doing and then remember they don't enjoy heat and burrow deeper in the heat of the day....till then....read labels and research do's and don'ts ...WTI had a good article a year or so ago on soil depth....fallow ground deep ...but you don't have to till deep after that..doing so just kills the worms....Thanks for reading ..Just food for thought

Enough said

I'm not assuming anything ...I read what was in blk and white and I read the law...Oh by the way...some of the prizes given out in the cuddeback contests he enters are $900.00 Mathew bows...I'm not going to assume that's much incentive...Hey DEC law is fine for some and apparently not needed for others...all in who does the interpretation and how well you know them ...pretty clear I'd say.

OH my God ...reading comprehension!...OK try this.... That PLAINLY made it illegal,period. There isn't any way you can talk your self around the FACT that he put out "scraps" and a deer came into them.

Gee and why is he doing this?

Eddie....you sly dog....you knew I'd jump on this

Here's another thing and more of the story can be looked up by Googling the guys name.....Now lets get some thing straight...READ the Law...I don't care if Dennis put a pile of dung out there...if deer came and ate it...it was illegal...with the 5 above stated exceptions...also food plots are in that exception...seriously..your defending this sent by the Deer Man's son, Frederick Bozek, on9/26/98 Hi Nancy, Sorry for not writing sooner, I've been out of state. As for Andy's court case the judge ruled that by him placing bread and corn on the picnic table to feed the birds and squirrels he was found guility of "Attracting Deer". Judge Smith stated that if any food of any type, no matter who put it there or how it got there it's up to the land owner to police it up so not to attract deer. So if you have an apple tree within 300 feet of a Highway and you have deer feeding on the apples that have fallen to the ground, you can be arrested for attracting deer. He stated it's up to the land owner to keep the apples off the ground. Andy was fined $25.00 and appelled the court. We are still waiting for a new court date, which another judge in Herkimer will hear the case. Thanks again for your help letting the WORLD know of Andy's injustice of a badly written law.

This is also directly off the DEC site... In New York, it is illegal to feed deer and moose by putting out any material that attracts them to feed. There are five exceptions to the rule: [*]Agricultural crops including wildlife food plots. [*]Distribution of food to livestock. [*]Distribution of food to captive deer and elk. [*]Cutting of trees and brush. [*]Scientific research, wildlife damage abatement, and wildlife population reduction programs, but only under a permit issued by DEC. I'd bet even money he didn't have a permit for that news article feeding

Come on your really aren't going to act like you don't know the law when past posts clearly show you do...that's insulting.... Bye the way, the above quote is directly off the DEC sight

This illegal activity...did we not just have a few guys chastised on this very sight.... over doing the very same thing?

Turkeys here don't usually flock up in big #'s unless in a food plot with poults...but they tend to stay in small groups...we have 3 on the property right now...this group of 3 hens and 2 Toms came through just now ...in the Succraseed plot...then followed the deer off the field to the next property...Sorry I was in the house and had high zoom on...pic quality not good and very grey out....The more food plots I plant ...the more critter we have