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    For Steve863

    in General Chit Chat

    Posted

    Honestly, why don't you stop the BS??  You have repeatedly accused anyone who doesn't support AR's like you do, as "brown and it's down" guys and "50 lbs deer killer".  This goes back a couple of years.  All anyone needs to do is go back to your past posts.  

     

    I keep my AR talk to the AR threads. You however have 2,500 posts of pure crap spread across every thread you touch.

    • Like 1

    For Steve863

    in General Chit Chat

    Posted · Edited by TheHunter

    Yes, you most definitely ARE a jackass.   Why didn't you tell everyone that you taunted me first in a PM, thus I dared you to post some pictures?  Oh, you forgot that part, huh?  Here are some of my pictures.  I am NOT a trophy hunter and am happy with anything I put on the ground, be it big or small.  You obviously have NO respect for those type of hunters, and that is your loss.  I feel sorry for you.  Some of the deer pictured are bigger and more mature than the 50 lbs deer you told me I was only capable of killing.  You talk from you a$$ and that's pretty much it.

     

    Say whatever you wish, seems like there is no off button on that mature expert hunter mouth of yours.  What I said in the first PM is exactly what I said in the thread, I asked you if you just toss the deer in the oven.  Sorry you got so offended you had to resort to that PM.  I have respect for all hunters, just not you and your BFF.   Keep bashing others on the site, you are doing a phenomenal job.

    For Steve863

    in General Chit Chat

    Posted

    And for the record I am the one calling you sissy's and girls, I realize you ain't smart enough to know the difference between two different members.

     

    So I guess you came back yesterday to stir up crap Mr. Derailer?

    Sometimes I get you two BFF's confused, however you both are about as useful as tits on a bull, spewing the same BS. You both made references to those that don't hunt like you guys as girls and or not real hunters.

    For Steve863

    in General Chit Chat

    Posted · Edited by burmjohn
    removed PM Image with curse

    I am publicly daring you to post pictures of the mature deer you have killed, or anything else for that matter. I will post pictures of my trophy room tomorrow morning, so you'd better come up with some photos of your own. We shall see who has shot what in their hunting careers. Good luck to you, you may need it.

    Steve,

    Thank you for that nice PM you sent me, your true colors are really coming through. Funny how you keep calling these guys here sissy's and girls for hunting how they wish to hunt when the only one pulling the childish crap is you. Moved our chat over here because you continue to de-rail that other thread and pretty much every single thread you participate on this site. For someone that just passed their "milestone" birthday you would think you would be a little more mature.

    I don't have anything to prove to you or others here, however since you "asked" so maturely here is a pic I took. The wife just finished setting up some holiday decorations the other day. I don't have a "trophy" room, but this is my family room. I've been hunting roughly 20 years with a few years off here and there.

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    • Like 1

    A Little Bit of Venison

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Since when do butchers charge more for bigger deer?  Area 3H gives out mighty few doe permits.  Don't give me this BS that butchers make as much money in 3H as somewhere else where doe permits are more readily available.  You have lost your argument before you even started it.  

     

    Again have you even been to a butcher or a Taxidermist in the area of AR's? You have no idea what you are talking about, I frequent a few butchers in the area to see what is going on, they are just as busy as they were a few years back. Now its all coming together... Since you don't have an ATV you bash others that do, since you don't have a tree stand you bash others that do, since you don't shoot big deer (nor see), you shoot the little guys.  Easier to drag and butcher, sounds like someone is being Lazy.  Anyways I don't want to de-rail this thread any further then you did already.

    A Little Bit of Venison

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    I will eat any deer you ever shoot with it's skin and hair on. LOL  Butchers or taxidermist would be going out of business real fast with hunters like you.

     

    Right, bigger deer with more meat are putting them out of business.  Before making more of an ass out of your self then you already did go ahead and visit any butcher or taxidermist in the 3H area.

     

    Curious, do you just throw the whole yearling in oven? I mean why even bother cutting it up?

    A Little Bit of Venison

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Well, well, look who crawled out from under a rock again.  And then you clowns call us elitist for touting the importance of traditional hunting know-how?   Why don't you post the big buck you shot in your AR zone??  Have been waiting for 3 years to see that one.    

     

    How long does it take to butcher up those yearlings? can't be more then a few min? I don't need to post pictures of AR Zone bucks, just visit any butcher or taxidermist in the 3H area.  But then again you wouldn't know or need of one those anyways.

    A Little Bit of Venison

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    I hope you aren't referring to me and Doewhacker with that comment?  We have a nice stash of venison in the freezer already, that we of course cut up ourselves, and the season ain't over yet.  The main difference between us and many others here is that we don't post pictures of our kills before rigor mortis even sets in.

     

    I wouldn't post pictures those 50lb'r yearlings either.

    • Like 2

    The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted · Edited by TheHunter

    No, yet I've killed more bucks that would qualify under AR's in the last 8 years then some of you fellas who hunt in AR zones. Go figure why? Maybe you guys just suck as hunters and should consider tiddly winks instead of hunting??

    Who gives a flying crap what you killed. No ones does, stop being a troll.

    * edited my post.

    Sportsmen Strongly Support DEC adoption of Yearling Buck Protection

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Just had this sent over to me...

    Sportsmen announced today that they strongly support the expansion of Yearling Buck Protection for the 2012 season recently announced by the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC). The adopted hunting changes will expand the existing Yearling Buck Protection with Antler Restrictions (AR) to seven additional Wildlife Management Units (WMUs).

    David Hartman, President of New York State Whitetail Management Coalition (NYSWMC), stated, “We commend Commissioner Martens and the DEC staff for modernizing and improving deer management with the expansion of Yearling Buck Protection with Antler Restrictions into seven additional Wildlife Management Units (WMUs). We thank all our representatives inAlbany and the sportsmen for working together to adopt this modernization of deer management in New York. We hope that New Yorkers in the rest of the state will soon be able to benefit from this program.”

    Joe Montalbano, from Ulster County, remarked, “We have really seen excellent results in our area. It used to be that a fork horn was the normal buck but now with antler restrictions the new normal buck is an 8 pointer. I have to admit when Antler Restrictions were proposed in 2004 I strongly opposed them at our federation meetings. To anyone that is opposed to it now I would say, Go for it 100%- it really works! Our club, Marbletown Sportsmen, for the first time in its 62 year history has harvested an 11 point buck and other clubs are having the same success”.

    The majority of hunters in New York support Yearling Buck Protection with Antler Restrictions according to 2005 and 2010 Cornell Surveys commissioned by the DEC. And one need only look at the 2011 NYS Hunting Guide to see what the DEC is promising and marketing to hunters; adult bucks. Current management with the size limit from 1911 of one three inch antler results in most bucks in NY being harvested as immature juveniles before they can reach adulthood.

    Bill Willis, of Delaware County Economic Development, points out, “As a result most NY deer hunters are dissatisfied with their buck hunting and this is clearly shown in the fact that NY is losing two hunters for every new hunter recruited. This will have large economic impacts to NY. NY deer hunters contribute over seven hundred million dollars to the economy and their license fees and excise taxes contribute million of dollars to fund NY state wildlife programs.”

    Jay Martin, Big Game Chairman, Federated Sportsmen’s Clubs of Ulster County, remarked, “Protecting yearling bucks results in a large increase in the age of the bucks harvested. For example 3.5 year old buck harvest is up 258% in AR areas of Ulster and Sullivan Counties. Both Ulster and Sullivan Counties have harvested the biggest bucks since the late 1920’s in the Antler Restrictions areas and the overall buck take is up 5.7% over the pre AR harvest”

    Hunters are enjoying the benefits of the Yearling Buck Protection. “I have never seen a single white-tailed deer management program that has invigorated and excited hunters more. Hunters in the current AR areas are hunting a deer herd that many generations of NY hunters have never experienced” stated Dick Henry, a recently retired New York DEC biologist.

    Tom Yager of the Sullivan County Federation, explained, “The best results have been observed in WMU 3H, where buck harvest numbers have exceeded pre AR levels by 18.3%. According to the Cornell 2011 Survey continuing the Antler Restriction program was acceptable to 90.5% of Sullivan County Hunters.”

    David Dirks, a columnist for the Middletown Record, stated, "I'm a big supporter of Antler Restrictions. I'd like to see them implemented on a statewide scale rather than the current hodge-podge of adding a few units at a time over many years. So, if we have to expand Antler Restrictions for now using the slowpoke method, I think adding 3M, where I do most of my deer hunting, is a good place to go next."

    The interest in Yearling Buck Protection is very strong in NY where 350,000 hunters support it. For example, during the public comment on the regulation several thousand letters of support were submitted and only a few hundred in opposition. We are seeing a positive change in the interest in and support for yearling buck protection. Sportsmen know it results in better hunting and it is clear common sense to let immature animals reach adulthood. “Currently people are realizing the fact that Antler Restrictions result in more opportunity to see and harvest quality bucks” stated Charles Bevilacqua a Member of CFAB.

    David Hartman, concluded, “The Antler Restriction expansion is a victory. The DEC is acknowledging the viability of Antler Restrictions in NY. Now we must turn our attention to bringing this improvement to the majority of deer hunters who support it. Yearling Buck Protection is vital to wildlife viewers and hunters alike”.

    Sportsmen and wildlife viewers interested in improving the deer herds in their county should visit our website and join our group. www.nyswmc.com

    The regulation adopted by the DEC to Protect Yearling Bucks with Antler Restrictions includes WMUs, 3A, 4S, 4G, 4R, 40, 4P, and 4W, located in Sullivan, Ulster, Delaware, Greene and Schoharie Counties. This program will require deer hunters in those areas to take bucks that have three or more antler points on one side, instead of the antiquated three inch spike antler law which has been in existence since 1911. Similar changes have been successfully enacted in 21 other states and are intended to provide a better balance to the buck age structure of deer populations by protecting yearling bucks from harvest. The over harvest of immature bucks is deemed to be biologically inappropriate by many wildlife biologists across the nation.

    The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    You seem to think it's to grow bigger bucks to kill... that my friend is the wrong reason to havee antler restrictions.

    Your wrong, I'm well aware that its just one by products of a properly managed and age diverse herd. The area's with AR's are not like some of these area's y'all hunt where the soil pukes with nutrients and there are farms all over the place. The AR zones have more hunters, stress, pressure, and other factors that those up further North do not see. I want to see the deer population thrive, and once my kids are old enough they will have something to hunt. Half the thrill is the chance to see a big guy out there, and when they do not exists or are so rare its considered a myth its clear there is a problem with the age structure and things need to change. More meat, bigger deer, bigger antlers, more action in the woods, healthier herd... It works in the zones that have it, it will work in the zones that are getting it and it works in other states that have implemented it. Its it the best way, nope, but its a start.

    The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Ok let’s clear some things up. Deer are a resource- A Limited Resource- so just because you want to kill more does not mean that the resource can provide/ survive that. NY has vastly different habitat so in 3A high peaks of the Catskills they take 1.2 bucks per sq mile and close to 0 does, and in western NY for example 8R, 9H and 9N the average buck take is 4.6 per sq mile and total deer take is 13.26 per SQ mile. Looks like almost 13 times more deer are taken.

    If the DEC issued more antlerless tags in 4S then you will have less deer in the future to hunt. Killing does results in less deer and in low productivity areas you will feel the over harvest for years. Ask some of the hunters in the Catskills where doe tags were doubled when the deer population was at 22 year lows and bad winter’s occurred.

    The reason that hunters see few adult bucks is because the majority of bucks in the state are killed as yearlings. Factor in the unreported yearlings kill and you can see that very few bucks survive to 2.5 +.

    If these deer are not harvested, they will grow up and get multiple points- you can check out the DEC harvest reports. Even though you may see bucks with a narrow spread THE VAST MAJORITY have a specific inch spread at a specific age. So by setting a point or spread standard the age at which bucks are harvested can be controlled.

    And genes will not be changed in a wild population by an antler restriction. First 50% of the genes come from the doe which is not affected by buck harvest. Second, hunters will not be removing all of the largest bucks, just some. And in practice a couple years in to an AR program the hunters will know that there are better adult bucks out there and will not harvest yearling bucks that just meet the standard. Remember in NY’s AR areas only 15% of the harvest is yearlings and that includes the yearling buck harvest from youth that are exempt from the program.

    Currently adult bucks are like unicorns in some areas of NY and as such many hunters feel they will never see one but rest assured when yearling bucks are protected you will see many and be very happy. I talk to those folks all the time and I am one.

    I am just a meat hunter and the average size of my buck has gone from 80 LBs dressed to 130 LBs and we have gotten some 165 lb 2.5 year olds. I can not wait to get a 3.5 as they are often 200 lbs. I now see bucks fighting which is really cool. And yes they sometimes have nicks and scrapes but nothing life threatening. Calling and rattleling work really well. And there are scrap lines and rubs that are being used by all deer. This is what a more natural deer herd is like and it is great.

    So in the outstanding areas western and central NY the potential is so incredibly high that is a travesty to not protected yearling bucks. It is like having a winning lottery ticket and letting it expire without ever cashing it in.

    For all you naysayers, 90% of you will love ARs after a couple years. It is kind of funny that you’re so opposed now but will really like it once it is in place. I have seen it with so many hunters. Trust common sense, sound science and the proven results in NY and in other states, for example Missouri and vastly improve your hunting starting now. We all have only limited time to hunt so the sooner we make this improvement the sooner we will have the best hunting of our lives.

    Well said.

    The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    I am a freezer filler, not a trophy hunter. Some people say, "that's fine just let the small bucks go by, and shoot a doe" No, I'm going to shoot what I see, until I get enough to fill the freezer, I'm not going to pass a forkie in hopes of killing a doe who may not come along. I get a lot of vacation, and a lot of time to hunt, but it's my hunt. As soon as the freezer's full, I'm going back to squirrel hunting anyhow. Antlers are nice, everyone likes them, but they are not my focus. If a nice 4.5 came along & I happened to kill him, cool. If not, oh well, I'll gladly take his little buddy. Once AR's get to my area, I'm done deer hunting, I'll be a full time squirrel killer. Until they start a QSM program, then I'll take up knitting.

    When you start knitting are you going straight for the challenge like a sweater or are you starting with socks first?

    Or maybe a hat that says brown its down.

    The Expanded Antler Restrictions - Who is excited?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted · Edited by TheHunter

    Brown and down huh - great assumption, but wrong, not that it matters to you, your agenda, or your spread of misleading info. I have passed probably 100 6 pt or better bucks in just the last 5 years because they where young deer I felt where less the 4.5. I get to shoot some does so am happy. How many immature (less then 4.5) bucks have the pro AR people such as yourself killed in that same time simply because they had enough points?

    Must have you and the other BiD Larry mixed up...

    How many immature (less then 4.5) bucks have the pro AR people such as yourself killed in that same time simply because they had enough points?

    None - Can't speak for others, but I'm picky. Passed on a 100 6pt or better bucks, thats pretty a pretty impressive BS stat.

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