TheHunter
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My long post on page one. just seems to me that some of their conclusions don't make sense
Well to you maybe they don't .. to me they do.
So if they make sense to you they are not open for discussion? Figures...some one sees an issue with statistics.....and you just choose to believe and not debate....so much for your spirited debate comment
Where did he say its not open for discussion? Stop drumming up this BS.
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I think we will see State wide AR whether you change your mind or not...
I hope so!
You guys keep telling us to stop making comments about your AR units since we don't hunt in them and now you want the rest of the state to implement them also? Why don't you keep your AR's to yourselves, and not push then on anyone else! As has been posted many times before, the DEC has stated that they see NO biological need for them. I am sure that you guys will miss more than a few more deer before you see AR's implemented statewide. LOL In fact you may be hanging up your weapons for good before you see them implemented! LOL
Sure why not, majority of hunters want them. Thats coming from the DEC that you cherrish so much for their "no biological need" despite proof and studies that show otherwise. :-*
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Nice bucks... How's everyone else doing around your area?
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I think we will see State wide AR whether you change your mind or not...
I hope so!
Keep sending those cards and letters to the North Pole and hope for the best!
Even they have AR's there... You see the racks on those deer! And they are nice and healthy and happy. With out AR's Rudy would have been shot out before his nose lit up.
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My long post on page one. just seems to me that some of their conclusions don't make sense
Well to you maybe they don't .. to me they do.
They make sense to a majority of NY hunters as well, its just the brown its down crowd that doesn't want it to make sense.
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I think we will see State wide AR whether you change your mind or not...
I hope so!
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because there are NOT many that practice any QDM or follow any AR... the reality is that most hunters shoot anything they can fill a tag with... thats why it hasn't changed. In other words you get out of it what you put into it.
So true, and these same guys get mad when they are called the Brown its downers... :'( Truth hurts.
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Typing and spelling skills are not requirements to have an opinion.
Apparently....
i can always buy a nice rack if i dont see one
Thats a good way of looking at things, it must be fun to shoot an animal in cage.
older the deer is to me it dont taste as good
They all taste the same to me, yummy. Except the slightly older, more mature deer have more meat.
if i dont kill it and let it pass someone else will shoot it
Ahh, thats the spirit! Except with AR, that won't happen unless your illegally taking the deer.
today if its brown its down
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do you want deer meat or a rack is the ?
older the deer is to me it dont taste as good ill shoot what i see i can always buy a nice rack if i dont see one
if i dont kill it and let it pass someone else will shoot it if you want qdm get your own privite land and pass on small deer i hunt for meat not trophys its just me if i wasnt aloud to shoot a 4 pt buck i guess i wouldnt but as today if its brown its down
Well said, obviously from a highly educated individual. I'm just basing that on your extraordinary typing and spelling skills. A++++!!!!
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At this point why even wait for a season to open. Bait, Brown its down. Good start for a Newbie.
LOL
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i think 150 class bucks are in the AR zone isn't that what there for
Can you translate that to the english language please?
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Opinion
As is everything you have posted on this thread.
A more natural age structure, protection of yearling bucks, and a better buck to doe ratio the herd will result in a more healthy herd. Older bucks, even the 1.5's that are protected by AR's leads to smarter and more mature bucks. A more mature buck is larger, giving them the chance to survive harsh winters. A more mature buck has a great chance of evading predators. As we all know the rut wears bucks down, they use their reserved fat stores. In area's where the buck to do ratio is also out of whack, or area's where most bucks are harvested, combined with a harsh winter will result in buck deaths and or malnourished bucks.
Regardless, if we did have a proper age structure in place, which is what I was originally pointing out, the more mature and healthiest bucks would be the ones doing a majority of the breading. Where an age structure exists is when bucks have the change to fight, and prove dominance, and the most fit and healthiest bucks would be doing the breeding...
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Holy crap! Thats the exit wound??? I've never seen a broadhead do that...
It looks like a good shot too, odd that there was not more blood. Maybe it was because of the angle of the exit? Was it raining?
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Nice bucks!
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Four Seasons, what do you raise the deer for?
I'm not for a fenced hunt, but to each his own. I never knew this whole selling of deer even existed (ignorance on my part), after reading a few of those posts on the other forum, its obvious that its a pretty big business.
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Thehunter---To satisfy my curiousity---wht do you think caused this problem down there. I could understand if the folks in the high peaks region of the Daks or even the Catskills to some extent wanted this. From what I can tell from airial views the regions has quite a few crop areas and fairly wide tracts of woods. Theere doesn't look like all that much State land in the region, from what I can tell from the DEC's map.
What had caused it? Do you guys have that much hunting pressure down there?
To be honest, I do not know completely, I'm still doing some research. I believe a lot has to do with hunter pressure, as it is quite high. I wish there was more micro management on the doe permits, some of these WMU's are just to large.
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Not to mention the cost of license & tags and cost of meat in supermarket. Age & rack of buck has nothing to do with health of deer herd. A dead buck is a dead buck and the younger they are the more tender the meat.
Age structure provides better reproductive health as well as better breeding behaviors, which results in a healthier herd.
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No kids, yet. But got my brother-in-law and his son hunting... Also my cousin and my brother.
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Yup, just like some places need AR and some do not.
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Hunting has a good LONG history of clowns of all shapes and sizes ruining its reputation for those who do go about things within the rules.
Agreed, I've herd some horror stories.
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what i was tring to do was show how the number could be spun tho show what one wants to see i know the math 876 is 70% of 1245
IF you were calculating a DECREASE, if the number went from 1245 to 867 then it would be 30%, however we are not calculating a decrease, we are caculating an increase, its basic math.
after 10/17 i will be hunting for 1 of the 5 P&Y's I've seen and this wont matter. remember i do QDM but its my choice and thats what i'm for. there is room for all in the the deer wood if you think your way is better then the other guy and you want to force your way on him then ITS TIME FOR YOU TO GET OUT OF THE WOODS AND GO HOME. because you have lost your way and have forgotten what hunting is all about and i feel sorry for you. wheather or not you are for AR's it is how YOU play the game not how the guy on the other side of the fence plays the game.
Thats great you have a chance to hunt 5 P&Y's, the area's with AR's do not have that kind of age structure to allow for those kinds of opportunities. The situtuation and your thoughts would be different for you if you were in a AR area that needed assistance. This is why there is overwhelming support for AR's by hunters that hunt in AR areas. And all of you are speaking based on opionion and not first hand experiance of hunting and owning land in a AR zone. Not one of you hunts in WMU 3 that I have seen.
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I'd be for 1 buck per season.
And I'd bet that guy that guy busted was a brown its down guy.
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You just asked how AR would benefit a herd where hunting was not allowed. If hunting was not allowed, how could there be AR? I would like to answer your question but I need to know exactly what it is that your asking.
What don't you understand? AR/QDM proponents keep telling us how it's all supposed to be so much better for the herd health, so tell us exactly how this is so without having self-serving HUNTING reasons as the primary motive behind it or part of the answer here? Very simple question in my opinion.
In the AR Zone I was in.
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- There was a poor buck to doe ratio before AR
- Shorter more natural ruts, better buck survival because of better physical condition for the winter months
- There is no biological reason to shoot up all the 1.5 bucks
I gotta get to work, I'll write more later on.
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Larry,
Thanks for posting that.
Keep in mind the following:
Based on the data the DEC is providing from 2006 to 2009, 4 years of data shows the following for the WMU's with AR:
3C: from 508 bucks to 514 bucks = 1% +
3H: from 876 bucks to 1245 bucks = 42% +
3J: from 712 bucks to 797 bucks = 19% +
3K: from 656 bucks to 568 bucks = 13% -
AND the most important, that the statewide buck harvest has been down from a high of 140k in 2000 as burmjohn pointed out and has YET to rebound to those levels, falling short in 2009 by almost 40K deer (40%) from 2000 levels 2 years before AR was introduced intro the initial two AR areas.
So thanks ;D for your useful post that gives us zero insight into the AR effectiveness other then the proven first hand experience that those have posted on here from FACT and first hand experience.
Bravo!
Whats so hard about passing yearling bucks?
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Great indisputable points, AR works and improves EVERYONES hunting experiance along with increasing the buck survival and age structure.