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9 minutes ago, Jdubs said:
Thank you. Interesting results, only 52% of respondents were in favor of xbow use for the full archery season.
Last I knew, 52% is a majority. You also left out the 9% of unsure votes.
Another interesting point is 29% believe that there should be a separate season for "Traditional Archery". So is that stating that 29% believe that crossbows should share the same season as compounds, and long bow and recurves get a separate one?
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4 minutes ago, airedale said:
It should be very easy to implement a comprehensive poll on allowing crossbows at the time of hunting licence purchase.
Al
Unfortunately this is not as easy to set up as it may appear. People have asked for this for may issues including crossbows, Antler Restrictions and other items, but the logistics of getting it set up with the contracted services the DEC uses for license sales is not that easy to change. We asked for a separate no charge section on the license for opt in to use a crossbow so they could get a true count of how many people actually intend on using the crossbow, and were told the system is too cumbersome to make the changes. Even though it would not require the separate piece to be printed, it would still have to be administered by the same program that issues the license.
BTW, Michigan did this when they first allowed crossbows and they were shocked by how many bow hunters opted in to use the crossbow also. Showed that there is a much larger segment of bow hunters that want to use a crossbow than people were told. -
13 minutes ago, Jdubs said:
Do you have a link back to the source?
Not hard to find with a quick google search. https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/john-defrancisco/2018-sportsmen-and-women-survey-summary-results
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9 hours ago, Jdubs said:
I know NY's Legislature is pretty much FUBAR, but you can't possibly believe that a casual hunting forum poll of 88 votes is what they would use to justify going full inclusion. No way. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
Probably true about this poll. Here is a poll from a survey from Senator DeFrancisco of Syacuse. Notice any similarities?
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4 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:
WRONG!!!!
There was in Northern zone!
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWRONG AGAIN!!!!!!
Northern zone opens September 27th. This comment is obviously pointed at Southern Zone
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2 hours ago, Doc said:
... and that at anytime we can find ourselves in the same boat that NYB found themselves in when someone else decided that they wanted a piece of the bow season.
Interesting. People have been asking for crossbow hunting in NY since it became legal to hunt with in Ohio over 40 years ago. NYB was established in 1991, which makes it around 27 years old. So the NYB boat didn't even exist until at least 10 years after the first crossbow hunters "wanted a piece of the bow season".
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59 minutes ago, Belo said:
so just like Obama though, you can't get shit done?
If you call gaining the first crossbow season that includes part of the archery season, all small game and has no sunset clause, NOTHING, Then you are correct!
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2 hours ago, Doc said:
When they wanted a youth firearms season, it got shoved into bow season.
WRONG!!!
There was no Oct 1st archery opener when the Youth season was instituted. They came in at the same time. -
7 hours ago, Storm914 said:
Really true traditional archery is a recurve or longbow but a compound bow now a days would fall into that category now as well .
You still have to draw them back like a recurve .
And hold them in the same basic way more or less
You hold your recurve with your release when the deer isn't looking and hold it while you line up you pin on the animal?
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7 hours ago, Storm914 said:
And after they got those special seasons bows got more popular .
Just like adding of xbows to part of archery season made that sport grow.
If they put it only in gun season it would not have gotten as popular.
Why do you xbow guys need the whole archery season?
Just do both no big deal. Just like
Most of us put the bows down for the gun season .
Same deal.
Lets break this down.
"And after they got those special seasons bows got more popular ."
Archery grew exponentially when the compound bow came became legal. Prior to that it was a much smaller segment of hunters that bow hunted at all.
"Just like adding of xbows to part of archery season made that sport grow."
Crossbow had nowhere to go but up, since there was no crossbow use in NY for anyone, other than those that could not fire one using a trigger and had to use a breath tube. Not many qualified as shown in the attached table from the DEC.
"If they put it only in gun season it would not have gotten as popular."
If they had left bows mixed into gun season they would not have gotten as popular either. If they had placed compound bows in gun seasons, how popular do you think they would be today?"Why do you xbow guys need the whole archery season?"
Why do we not deserve it?
"Just do both no big deal"
Why is it your choice which bow anyone else chooses to use? Why should you get to use your vertical bow during the crossbow season?"Just like Most of us put the bows down for the gun season ."
Most?
Why do you put your bow down during gun season?
Why don't you put your traditional bow down if compound bows are legal?
Why don't you put your traditional bow down during crossbow season?
SAME DEAL
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7 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
I don't really care much just telling you why it is good for the sport if you have a separate seasons just to get kids into it as an incentive.
Come on how many people would do archery if there was no archery season .
You know what I mean .
Same with muzzleloading season.
It would be a lot less .
It is what it is.
Why is there an Archery Season in NY?
Because people that used bows back in the first half of the 1900's asked for a week prior to gun season so they could hunt with less pressure on the animals before everyone hit the woods and had them running in every directions because most hunted via drives back then. It was fought against same as crossbows are now, and compounds were in the 70's and early 80's and each one took way too long to implement, yet none of these changes has ruined the sport of hunting.
There are plenty of people that hunt with their bows all gun season, with their muzzleloader and crossbow during the shotgun and rifle season. The beauty of it is they have choices and make them all by themselves. Why do you want government placing regulations on us? I love the people that are opposed to full inclusion because they wouldn't have the discipline to use both and would hang up their compound.
And you have a better chance of getting kids today to try traditional archery after they are successful and they want to take it to the next level when they have been successful and want a new challenge. In today's fast paced world, the attention span is too short to start with traditional equipment if they are not successful right away. Most kids will give up if there is too much work without quick results. No different than the learning to wait for the mature deer instead of the desire to just kill the first thing they see. -
8 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
You said 40 years of crossbows in archery not me.
And I'm sure the adding of compound bows to traditional archery Did not effect the number of guys that used a recurve either right lol
I said crossbows have been legal for 40+ years.
So you are opposed to compounds too because more people use them than traditional bows. Dude, you lost that battle 40+ years ago too! Compounds and crossbows were both legalized at the same time in Ohio
I will give you that they do not differentiate compounds, recurves or long bows in the report, just vertical vs horizontal bows. -
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4 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:
Why in the world would a hunter that has a choice in his state with what to hunt with during archery season lie about what weapon he used to take an animal...
Really...
Because they don't want people to know they are closet crossbow hunters!
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3 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
Im saying they don't know.
Or do you think they watched every hunter in the field to see what they used to shoot each deer in archery season . For 40 years
WOW!
To start with these are published stats for 2014 & 2015, not for 40 years.
They also have a totally different reporting system. They had reporting stations where each deer taken is required to be checked up until the last couple years. -
26 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
If it is all in one season no way to no that.
Just like how would you no how many deer are shot with a 30-06 versus a 30 30
But nice try
So you are saying Ohio DNR posted false information!
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15 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
I don't care if xbows kill my deer that's a silly argument because all any bow hunter has to do is buy a xbow and even the playing field that is what will happen the problem is that you will pretty much kill off the sport of traditional archery. There will be less incentive for kids to try out traditional archery if you don't give it its own season.
If Crossbow Full inclusion will kill off traditional archery, why hasn't that happened in Ohio where crossbows have been classified as archery equipment and used side by side with all other bows for 40+ years ?
http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/Portals/wildlife/pdfs/publications/hunting/Pub 5304_DeerSummary_R0916.pdf-
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2 minutes ago, wolc123 said:
... I might just have send more and join up this year.
Membership is the most important part of the fight. The more members we have the stronger we become! We need you and all the other crossbow enthusiasts to join forces with us.
To answer the questions in previous posts to this thread on how many crossbow hunters are current or former bowhunters, of our current 969 members, 601 are current bowhunters and 308 are former bowhunters. Which equates to 94%. -
22 hours ago, wolc123 said:
The best part is, the more the anti-full inclusion folks reply, the more often the truth (poll results) comes back up to the top for all to see.
One thing this poll has done is gained New York Crossbow Coalition a new member and his $100 donation! Thank you to Doc, Belo , stormy914, you were listed as who referred him to us!
You are doing for us what Obama did for gun sales!
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There is less than 2 weeks left in the budget talks. Please do this TODAY!
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25 minutes ago, jokeandcolorOutdoors said:
I'm genuinely curious as to how this would affect snowmobilers.
Snowmobile trails are prohibited from being opened until deer seasons close. Thus extending deer hunting for 1 more week means snowmobile trails can not be opened until after that week. There was talk of moving muzzleloader season until the week between Christmas and New Year's to give the deer a chance to calm down after being pushed from Oct 1st and it hit the same resistance.
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20 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
I like the idea of a longer crossbow season after gun season actually.
Snowmobile trails are prohibited from being opened until deer seasons close.
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But wait. You said if you cant draw a bow just get a drs note. What halpened to that claim?
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Obviously you dont know because you have to be so handicapped that you cant use any diget on either hand to pull the trigger and must use a breath tube to fire ir
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For Or Against Full Inclusion
in CrossBow Hunting
Posted · Edited by tughillmcd
Hmmmm. A few years ago the argument was that no bow hunters want crossbows in archery season! What changed, or were people misrepresenting the desire of the majority of bow hunters and the majority does support crossbows in Archery Season?