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When I bought my Ruger Hawkeye I compared it to a Remington 700. I have a Savage and I'm happy with it. The Remington was cheap. Plastic parts, poor fitting. The Ruger was all steel and fitted nicely. Maybe the 700 will shoot 1/2 MOA tighter, but the Ruger seems to be a more robust build.

I think the bullet is supposed to be rapid expansion but the core is supposed to provide optimal penetration. I want to shoot one into some water jugs to get an idea of what it does.

I forgot my TP, once....thankfully I had some old targets in the bottom of my pack.....only forgot it once.... Sent from my Lenovo TAB 2 A10-70F using Tapatalk

I just bought a box of Winchester Deer Season XP in .243. It's a 95 grain bullet with an "eXtreme Point". It's a new offering from Winchester specifically designed for deer. Specs are 3100fps from a 24 inch tube, .376 BC. It's a flat base ballistic tip type bullet. Maybe I can call up a public land Georgia buck and see how they work. Sent from my Lenovo TAB 2 A10-70F using Tapatalk

I too have a hankering for the 338 Federal. If I were to ever re-barrel my 243 that is a choice on the list. I don't categorize the 260, or other 6.5's, save maybe the Creedmoor, as commercially successful. If no more than one or two companies chamber a factory rifle in the caliber, that means it never caught on. Those are popular in the competition curcuit, but that is a niche. A short action .277 would probably suffer the same fate as the .280 Remington; the 7mm was first. Had the .280 Remington been introduced prior to the .270, I would net that the .280 would be more popular. The 7mm-08 beat the .277 short action to the game. The .277 would have nothing to offer. Bullet selection for .284 is better than the .277 with heavier bullets and higher bc. Recoil would probably be about the same. The .264 bullets offer high bc and sectional density, and are probably a better choice than .277 bullets. That being said I'm still all for it. Variety is the spice of life. That's why we have brunettes, redheads, and blondes. As for the 338 Federal, they marketed that round totally wrong. It seems like they pushed it to deer hunters when they probably should have pushed it to elk/moose/bear hunters. Why trade a .308 for a .338 that recoils as heavy as a .30-06 but doesn't offer much more performance than a .308? What can the Federal do for a deer hunter that a .308 or .30-06 can't? Answer; nothing. Now for a bigger game hunter the .338 Federal offers a heavier bullet, deeper penetration, and bone busting big game performance in a non-magnum format. But, people want long range, even though they rarely need it. On paper the Federal is capable of killing out to 400 or 500 yds. With modern BDC scopes that is an attainable range. A little different marketing approach and that round could have been very successful.

Fehyd643- The 5 inch groups you're getting could be the result of using the shooting stick. The American stock is pretty light and flimsy. The barrel is free floated, but the stock will touch the barrel with enough pressure exerted on the forearm of the stock. I don't have an American, but I did have a Savage with the same problem. When I shot it off a bipod the POI shifted all over the place. I switched out the stock for a B&C, fixed the issue. The Americans seem to be fine when using a bipod or bag rest. My guess would be less pressure is exerted on the stock with those methods than a shooting stick. Maybe try that out and see what happens. Your American is capable of ~1-2 MOA groups at 100 yds. If that doesn't work, I think Boyds is making laminated and walnut stocks for them now. Just some FYI for you. I almost picked an American when I bought my M77 Hawkeye, but I wanted the 20 inch Ultralight. Heck of a rifle. The American was 2nd on my list.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you better luck next time. Sounds like you did more than most would. Hope the doe makes it out ok. Maybe it just wasn't her time.

Pygmy- That 700 Mountain Rifle is a specimen. I almost picked one up as well, but decided I wanted a more compact package and CRF. I think a 20in .270 would still outperform a 7-08. In two equal rifles the 7-08 would lose approximately the same amount of velocity as the .270, maybe a little less, but the .270 would still produce higher velocities. The 7-08 should have less blast and flash, but if it would be by a quantifiable margin, who knows. FWIW my 22in .30-06 is loud and produces and nice light show at the end of the barrel. I doubt a 20in barrel would fare much worse. Now the question- Do I really need a 20 inch .270? Probably not. My .243 can take any game in North America with the proper bullet selection and the same goes for my .30-30 and .30-06.

I've found the 20 inch barrel and ~40 inch overall length to be optimal for my uses. My Marlin 336 .30-30 and Ruger 77 .243 both sport 20 inch tubes and they handle so much better than my 22 inch Savage .30-06. The Savage weighs in right around 9.5 to 10lbs with a scope which, IMO is heavy for a gun you tote around. I'd like to have a 20 inch bolt gun with a bit more thump than the .243, but in reality I probably don't need it. I would really like a company to standardize a short action non-magnum .277 built off the .308 case. I know there are a few wildcats, but something standardized would be nice. It probably would have too much competition from the .260 Rem, various 6.5's, the 7-08 and heck, maybe even the .243 to get a foothold. It sure would be a cool idea though considering how popular the .270 Win is. I like my .243, but the trend towards 80-95 grain big game bullets is annoying. Will someone make an Accubond or BT type bullet in 100 grains, please? I saw a Ruger UL in .270 Win with a 20 inch tube and I thought that it would be neat. I also saw the same rifle in 7-08, but finding 7-08 at the store can be challenging at times. Everyone stocks .270.

I was reading a F&S article by David Petzal which talked about shorter barrels not losing velocity the way some would think, cartridge dependant. Anyone ever chronographed a 20 inch .270 Winchester? I love 20 inch barrels on bolt guns. Perhaps a .270 would lose too much velocity and I'd be better off with a 7mm-08.

I think I'm going to put the FRS15 stock on. I'll either have a thread cover welded on or replace the barrel, and remove the bayonet lug.

If I wear any its Cablea's Zonz Woodlands. I don't really buy into it for rifle. Thoughts?

I have a feeling they would probably follow Maine's system of preference points. It might turn into an insider thing, but I don't think politically connected people in NY will be jumping at the chance to hunt moose. Most are from downstate anyways.

I wonder if they will make all centerfire rifles legal or list a minimum caliber.

Any talk about when that may be and what the regulations would be?

I take that as sarcasm?

NY needs a moose season once the herd count is accurate. Reintroducing elk would be a wonderful idea. Anyone know if PA is having problems with poachers?

I read an article from May that indicated the NYS legislature passed legislation authorizing a moose and elk hunt in the future. Does anyone know some details about this? Sounds like it could be exciting.

I've seen that rifle. It looks really cool.

Ants, I thought about picking up a 7-08 but factory ammo is hard to find down here (GA). How is it up there? I know that ordering ammo is a pain. Mr VJP, I understand. It's near commie. Seemed like you were trolling. Apologies, let's carry on.

Well all get that you hate NY. Go troll somewhere else.

I can't believe this has turned into a why would you do that thread. Are guns the only aspect of your lives?

I carry an AR15 everyday of the week at work. I won't miss it. Besides if I really want a .223 I can always buy a Mini14.

I have both. I will deal with the draconian BS. I'll probably sell my AR and buy a bunch of hunting supplies.

There is more to life than guns. I miss family and I want my kids to grow up the same way I did. Laws, especially gun laws will change for good or for bad. Part of the problem in NY is that no one really stands up and says NO MORE. Most people just take it and leave or bicker on the internet but won't actually fight for their rights. People need to keep protesting in Albany like they did a few years ago. We can't just have one or two good shows and be done with it. Has to be lots of people regularly. Start voting those that voted for the SAFE Act out of office. Make noise, don't give up.