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  1. Oh, it's the club that denies global warming, and that raptors are poisoned by bullet fragments. It's made up of people who believe the 2nd amendment was handed down by God himself. It's the club that thinks persecuting coyotes actually does something besides increasing coyote reproduction. It's populated with people who think the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Some others who think we need to log the Forest Preserve. Some members are gung-ho frackers.


    If you think we need more deer, everywhere, regardless of the impacts to forest and other wildlife, you can certainly join.



    I thought we were talking about the Adirondack Park's land classifications and general conservation practices?  I have no idea how you went about making those assumptions about my overall political, religious and philosophical beliefs, but I'll pretend that post didn't happen.

  2. I'm glad to see I have another fan. You joined the club.


    I don't know what club that is, but I do care about the environment.  If we totally trash our forests and wilderness areas, then I as a hunter, camper, hiker will have nothing to enjoy and neither will the future generations.


    The only difference between you and I is that we each have different views on how to go about protecting the environment.  

  3. The closest clubs to rochester are the Albion, branchport and warsaw clubs. None are really close. I go to the Albion club whenever I can. The guys there are pretty nice. I recommend searching around http://kcshounds.com/ Matt the guy that owns it lives in Fairport. It's a small group of close niche guys that are always nice to people looking to get into the sport. I'm in scottsville. I haven't been running my hound the past couple of months as much as I normally do. I've just been super busy. I've been running 1-2 nights/week where usually I run 5+. I've also only got a new pup that is not doing very well. But you're welcome to set up a night to come out with me. 


    http://www.coondawgs.com/is also a good site for information but the guy that runs it is kind of a jerk. He won't let you post any question that has already been asked so for someone like you it's really just for searching around and researching. But it does have a lot of really good information. 


    Thanks for the additional links!


    PM sent.

  4. There are several clubs in western NY. Including me depending on where you are. My advice would be to go to an event and not only talk to people but go along as a spectator. It will open your eyes to a whole new hunting. Just bring your boots and a decent light. You can do a flash light but I'd recommend a $20 Cree light from Amazon. That's how I got my start. Here's a link to the events The Northeastern Big Game Trials are also this weekend in Salem NY. That would be a great place.


    Hey thanks!  I'll definitely check out the link you provided.


    I edited my last post, but I probably should have PM'd you about this; I actually live in Rochester as well.  So if your club is doing anything in the near future, I'd certainly be interested in observing.  

  5. A very interesting read, and one that I will likely need to revisit, as there much information to digest.


    OP, I don't have a hound, but I do have a dog that is very good at scent and tracking work (GSD).  I have already taken the leashed tracking dog exam and am currently submitting my application for the license itself.


    However, I am interested in meeting up with some houndsmen who either compete or use their dogs to hunt to ask questions and get advice on tracking training.  


    Do you know of any hunting clubs in Western NY or NY in general that I might be able to talk to?

    I'm looking to get some basic training and prep in for the next season so that i can hunt coyote and turkey, among other small game during the next season.  I realize that  my dog's breed isn't suited to the style of hunting used by houndsmen, but all the same I am interested in talking to someone who has experience running hounds and training dogs to track, as I have next to zero experience with that stuff.


    Any suggestions?  


    Edit: I also noticed that you are out of Rochester, which is where I live.  If ever you were available to meet up for quick chat, I certainly would be up for that...it's been a struggle to find people who are into this sort of stuff.

  6. Who is surprised that in NYC, where this debate was held, the majority of the audience was against hunting....you could tell from the questions asked that many of the people had already made up their minds and were asking pointed questions about the ethics and morality of hunting, which the moderator was deliberately trying to avoid.


    I will say that the Field & Stream editor didn't strike me as the articulate, well-spoken representative that hunting groups need for these kinds of debates.  The woman seemed to be a bit better explaining/defending her position, but she also seemed all too eager to escalate the intensity of the debate, which never works to the hunter's advantage.  That said, the hunting rep's did bring up a lot more numbers and statistics while the anti-hunting side was relying a lot more on rhetoric and emotional appeal.  WTF does Cecil the Lion have to do with legal big game Safari hunting?


    By all accounts, the hunting rep's did a better job of making and defending their argument, but like I said earlier, much of the audience seemed to be anti-hunting from the beginning and no amount of logical arguing is going to change their mind.

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  7. You want to "work together" where there is "common ground". Arguing against wilderness areas - which I hunted avidly when I was able - and pushing for motorized access, undermines that desire. I can no longer hunt those big woods but I will continue to advocate for wilderness. I have personal limits but would fight the State compromising wild areas by allowing motorized access, even if it got me deeper into the woods. There are plenty of "Wild Forests". Many "Wilderness" areas are lacking in game anyway.


    You may not find many who agree with me on this forum but they are out there. I hunt with them. This tends to be a self selecting group. Maybe sportsmen aren't joining your organizations because there are too many differences, too many compromises. I will join the NRA when they stop lying about the impact of lead ammo on scavenging raptors.


    Why would trapping be banned in some municipalities? I assume this is for pet safety. I am sure I am not the only person who knows someone whose pet was caught or killed by a trap in a suburban or semi-rural area.



    I think a lot of long-time Adirondack residents, not just those who hunt, would disagree with you.  A few, but powerful and wealthy, advocacy groups (ADK Mountain club) have been very stubborn about insisting that the APA classify many areas as Wilderness that had traditionally been open to the locals (and the public in general) for a multitude of uses (hunting, fishing, drive-in access, sea-plane access).  No one is arguing that the ADK park should be turned into one big ATV/4x4 park, but at the same time there are whole swaths of land that people used to use for recreation (hunting, fishing, camping) that no one hardly uses anymore due to how remote it is...and I'm talking from experience here as I have actually taken the time to find and hike down these old logging/hunting roads in the Pepperbox Wilderness area and Essex Chain of Lakes, among other areas...I've hardly seen a soul on these hikes and camping trips because of how long it takes to get there.  I'm not saying that I expect the wilderness to be teeming with people and activity, but by comparison, I've seen extensive swaths of Wild Forest areas (which are more permissible with motorized access) and I can tell you that the noise and traffic is minimal at best....you get a few hundred yards away from the main roads or the trailheads and you're quickly feeling alone in the woods.


    Honestly, I think the best thing the APA could do is issue a sort of "back country" license to fishermen, hunters, sportsmen, or anyone seeking to get deeper into some of these wilderness areas...sort of a pass that would allow them to drive their vehicles a down these old logging and hunting roads for purposes of access.  Fees could go towards maintaining the roads and ecosystem in general.  The DEC could put a key fob device at the gates so that people who legally bought the pass are the only ones who get access and if they get caught breaking rules or abusing their access, revoke the pass.  We have the technology to do that sort of thing and given that you have to buy in, it would still keep the vehicle traffic restricted to certain roads (that in all honesty really don't see much if any foot traffic nowadays) and to a minimum.  


    Hunting in the ADK's is hard enough as it is due to the low density of game, so hunters need all the access they can get to get into good spots.  And fisherman would appreciate the easier access to the more remote lakes and ponds.  A little more motorized access won't hurt anyone or anything despite what the environmental groups whine about.


    Edit: BTW, I'm sure at some point in the future, bullets will use an entirely different material other than lead, but a lot of people tend to forget that lead is a naturally occurring element and that when lead bullets were banned in California, the # of raptor deaths didn't really change much either because there we were being poisoned by other sources of lead (either man-made or natural).  The amount of lead put into the ground by hunters is minimal compared to the amount of runoff and pollution created by a whole slue of other activities (farming, construction, roadway traffic, human traffic, power plants, ect.).


    People pick and choose what outrages them in this day and age.  There is no shortage of groups of will cry "bloody murder" over small pieces of lead being shot into the ground, but they have absolutely no problem hooking up their iphones, computers, and A/C to a powergrid that relies predominantly on fossil fuel powerplants.

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  8. Like someone else said, criminals will be criminals...if someone decides to say FU to the conservation and hunting regs and go do their own thing, that's what they'll do.


    This study is speculation at best, because hunting is allowed in the US and North America in general, and thus we are not in the situation where outright bans or restrictive legislation would motivate massive numbers of hunters to go the illegal route and poach animals that are off limits.


    This is speculation on my part, albeit logical speculation, but if North America did in fact ditch its current wildlife management model and enact an outright ban on all forms of hunting, I would bet on 2 things:

    1) There would be a lot more people breaking the law to poach animals illegally.

    2) The various state and federal government agencies would be spending a lot more money on enforcement (while also losing out on a lot of their income from licensing fees).


    As for hunting in foreign, impoverished countries, I can see both sides of the story.  There certainly are some countries and areas where poaching is rampant and/or legal hunting is not being managed properly in a way that will allow for sustaining of the targeted population.


    On the other hand, there are documented cases where structured, well-regulated legal hunting of certain rare species (the Black Rhino comes to mind) has motivated local efforts to preserve those animals from extinction:



  9. This article gives a much different account of the voter margin and process which explains the ongoing legislation. This is why I don't read from those sources and caution others not to either....




    I'm not sure what was so misleading about the OP's article.


    All it said was that the majority of voters were against the banning legislation (which is correct even according to your ballotpedia site).  And certainly most of the state legislators (both D's and R's) were too.


    Do you not like Maine's bear hunting regs?

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  10. .308 FN SPR.  24" heavy barrel profile, free-floated...more than a little too heavy for any type of woods hunting, other than maybe still hunting, but I'm still young (somewhat) and love to target shoot as well so I've justified it in my mind.


    Maybe when I'm older, a little wiser, and richer, I'll get myself a more appropriate rifle for backwoods hunting...until then I suck it up and lug this beast around:




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