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Human density is the key factor on how many deer the public deems acceptable in terms of car accidents and farm damage...#1 in terms of who gets to say how many is too many. That's what human density means and that is why they are going crazy trying to get your lazy large ass to shoot more does. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This site has degenerated so much in the last 9 months.

If you want to point to specific elements of other state agencies management plans and apply them here fine...but you better point to NJ or PA if you are talking about the same population density in terms of BOTH deer and humans.Ohio or any other Midwestern or southern states model does not apply here in this very densely populated state. But you haven't pointed to anything specific and as I recall abhor the idea of EAB which Jersey uses. Again no plan just a politically lazy hater. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anecdotal accounts like you describe are statistically insignificant.The DEC employs wildlife biologists and deploys a scientific method in terms of collecting statistics and calculating populations... Again...no one else has a plan, you're just a bunch of bitching trolls and "scary government" haters. And Mike Rossi is the ONLY guy on this site that backs up his political talk with real political action, not bluster and self-delusional bs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Okay critcs lay out your plan to count and control numbers the "right way."Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I legally harvested 8 deer last season all but 1 under 30yds.5 of those with the bow and a mature spring Tom with my bow all under 30yds. As for my archery Buck last season like I said I was confident he was mature when I decided to draw. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Grow...thanks for providing data. I disagree with your analysis of that data. In my view the deer take went way down because the DEC indeed slightly overstepped... But it was the DECs intention to significantly drop the glutted herd and it temporarily did. 3 seasons later take was back up to the 220s and now back to 240s and the herd is approaching glut again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's not a guess it's a calculated figure based on reported take and many other methods of statistical collection.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm not confusing anything...hunters will not have a choice when mandatory EAB is imposed or much worse yet when red tags and sharp shooters become the preferred means of population control.Especially in a state like NY where mute swans can not legally be harvested by hunters despite the fact that the DEC and other conservation minded groups support this method of population control. By the way words on paper must precede actions when dealing with state agencies. You should have Mike Rossi give you an education on how the legislature and other state institutions function. Also show me in the data of the last decade where deer take or pop went down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I will take their numbers over the nonexistent numbers of the DECs critics.That said I agree that mandatory check stations would tighten up numbers...still many of those who already fail to report would probably continue to do so even with mandatory check stations. The reporting system is so easy and we get plenty of tags, why not report? I just don't get it unless you want to shoot more than 2 bucks a season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I laughed pretty hard at that.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For me the process is this fast: - Ass relative to shoulders - belly relative to brisquit - I don't think a particular age I think mature or not. And then it's no or go....btw I'll shoot what I make for a 2 yr old on public land if he is nice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They add permits because less than 1/6 issued are filled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/deerplan2012.pdf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Phade if you want me to link the deer management plan where it specifically enumerates Population Management as it's #1 priority...I know you already know this but I'll go get it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think it will bring some old guys back to archery season...that's all I meant.Anyone who thinks the state gives a flying whatever about "hunting tradition," is also sadly mistaken. Take a look at what's happening in the places where hunters can't get it done...hired hands and thousands of $$$ to kill 20 deer. Some municipalities preferring to neuter their herd than allow hunting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

People can choose to hunt for different reasons, but the state agency has 1 main reason and that coincides with the public's at large. Buck that and soon you won't have any buck at all.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Do you only see and shoot at running deer?I hunt in big and small woods, sometimes near field edges but not usually. I typically see deer about 70-100yds out and typically harvest inside 30 yds...sometimes it feels like forever before they get in range. I had plenty of time in the 30 seconds last 11/3 to determine I had a good 3 or 4 yr old despite the short rack (and he was inside 10 yds when I arrowed him)...jaw boards confirmed. It's wildlife biology not theoretical physics and it's intended to use as a guide to try to be a mindful and selective buck hunter. If we all know your views then why be the 2nd guy (1st smartass) to post on the new topic? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've been disappointed by nearly every retail store and brand on earth. BPS in Auburn is convenient but rarely has items that match the internet or catalogue. Same with the Cabellas down in Eastern PA. I personally find all large retailers to be nearly equally inept...other than guns I buy most of my stuff online or from my archery pro. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You gotta make the call to shoot before you get the teeth...thus the need to be able to "age on the hoof."Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can't stand the "I'll wait for a big buck I'm too lazy to shoot more does."In this state you can drop a doe and continue to wait around for your antlers. Then you want more slob hunters to pressure the deer more and somehow that will result in more deer harvests? That's what we need an expansion to the opening-day-only orange army to shoot more yearling bucks. Finally you take a shot at xbows which in fact will bring in some new hunters that you are requesting. Population management is the DECs #1 priority of its deer management plan and is practically the general publics only reason to tolerate hunting. Fill DMPs early and often. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

All my berry plants are about 2/3 full ripe with about 1/3 still green. 7j. This includes wild and cultivated blacks and raspberries. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It sure did help that it was one of the largest masts on record, hard and soft. Plenty to eat all winter. Got plenty of healthy deer on my lease as well, check out this fawn: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I just snapped this pic of my loaded lakeside compsular which produces heavy biennially: There was not a single apple in this tree during last years record apple mast. Like I said biennial bearing is a general rule and not one that is always observed, but more often than not it's the culprit for an empty tree. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I believe you for sure about your apples as it is not necessarily the case that every tree will fall into a biennial fruit bearing habit.However most wild mast trees have atleast a biennial cycle this includes apples, pears and plums. From the University of Maine cooperative extension: "Failure to form flowers is also caused by biennial bearing. Apples, pears and some types of plums have a biennial bearing habit, meaning that every other year the tree produces only a small number of flowers. This is followed by a year with profuse bloom and a large crop of fruit. Biennial bearing is a complex phenomenon caused by the presence of fruit at the same time that next years’ flowers begin to form. In summer, prior to the season in which they bloom, the first stage of flower development occurs inside the young developing buds. The undeveloped flowers remain very small until new growth begins the following spring. A large number of fruit present on the tree in early summer will inhibit flower formation. Biennial bearing can be alleviated by removing some of the fruit in late spring, a practice known as fruit thinning. To be effective in promoting flower formation, fruit thinning needs to be completed within three weeks of bloom or by mid June in Maine. The sooner thinning is done after bloom, the more effective it will be in preventing biennial bearing. Hand thinning does not completely prevent biennial bearing, but will lessen it to an extent depending on how early it is done and how many fruit are removed." http://umaine.edu/fruit/growing-fruit-trees-in-maine/lack-of-fruitfulness/ Cool idea transplanting the saplings! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk