mike rossi

And you keep bulls in a herd of 3,800 instead of using A.I.... You even no what AI is? Sounds dangerous - and you must have more than a "few" bulls to service all them cows, what is a few? How many pounds a milk a day, didn't know we had anyone gracing this forum with that much income, you loaning any money? Your a funny guy, thanks for the laugh...

Your managing 3,800 head? How many milkers you got? How much hay per day? Whats your grazing space per animal? Lets see some pictures of your operation... How do you manage staff infections? How many square feet is your milking barn?

Ya, ok, its enough proof for me... Maybe not for you, but enough for me...

Thanks Phade, by the way.

Bold, the mice exposed to urine & saliva from CWD positive deer became infected, the mice not exposed did not become infected.... I wasn't aware this disease can go from deer to mice....

You already got a publication record of the same guy you implied came to the same conclusions as you. I asked you to show me the study in his publication record which he said CWD is not transmitted from body fluids. You cited the source and cant even show me the study - even after I draw up and post his publication record. You sir, have issues... Either that are your not a grown adult...

You are outrageous. Your question above has already been answered. This is no longer a theory, its been replicated by experiment after introducing every possible variable. Then the entire procedure and conclusions where reviewed by a different panel of scientists.... In other words, its accepted by the scientific and veterinary medicine community as fact.... Its just not accepted by you and others...

What the heck are you talking about in post 90? Test the urine on the ground for infectious prions? I don't really know if such testing is possible but what good would it do? Oh, okay Bub your soil got piss in it with infectious prions, can you stop the feeding? I know were just scientists, but would ya take are word for it that their are prions, pretty please there chief? I know you got all this common sense and all that, but would ya just take our word about it, pretty please old bub? Oh, and by the way, we have to shoot all the deer within a square mile, think we can start on your property tonight old bub? Are you effin out of your mind?

Yes, rumen acidosis is less prevalent when the deer have had access to the same (or even possibly closely related) foods which are provided as supplemental feed. However rumen acidosis is not restricted to the winter, it can and does occur through out the entire year. Although any laterally transmitted disease of deer (* not something like EHD) is more likely in winter due to the behavior of deer to congregate or "yard" during the cold months, there are several other diseases linked to supplemental feeding which are not otherwise linked to winter, such as CWD... So feeding is not good anytime of the year... *The reason EHD is not linked to winter or feeding, is that it is transmitted by a vector, rather than deer to deer or body fluid to deer... I am not going to delve into the life cycle of the vector, lets just say it isn't active in the winter... And just to be precise and clear: rumen acidosis is not laterally transmitted either. Lateral or horizontal transmission refers to direct contact with other animals or body fluids.

I got news for you, we gave up on the 90%. It is the 10 % we are trying to reach. If you want 8th grade level answers to complex questions, call the DEC because they are trained to communicate that way in order to reach the 90%.

Your full of Bull, EHD is a virus and in some forms it can be "chronic" ... It has an incubation period like any other virus... Clinical Signs of EHD: Deer may become infected with peracute, acute, or chronic EHD infections. Deer can develop clinical signs in as little as 7 days after exposure and this is most constantly characterized by sudden onset of the disease. In general, deer infected with EHD lose their appetite, lose their fear of people, grow weak, show excessive salivation, develop a rapid pulse, have a rapid respiration rate, show signs of a fever which include lying in bodies of water to reduce their body temperature, become unconscious, and have a blue tongue from the lack of oxygen in the blood (Howarth et al. 2001). Swelling of the head and neck can also be seen when observing deer with EHD. One of the most common characteristics of deer with the chronic form of EHD is the sloughing or breaking of the hooves caused by growth interruptions. Deer with chronic EHD often become lame due to these hoof problems (CFSPH 2006). Although they are ill for several weeks, they can eventually recover. Deer with the peracute form of the disease may go into shock 8–36 hours after the onset of symptoms, and are found lying dead (Howarth et al. 2001). Death is also common in deer with acute EHD, which is generally comparable to peracute EHD and is characterized by excessive salivation, nasal discharge, and hemorrhaging of the skin(CFSPH 1996). Cattle that develop EHD typically have subclinical signs. These infections are less severe than the infections in deer, but they may still exhibit fever, oral ulcers, excessive salivation, lameness, and coronitis (inflammation of the coronary band in hoofed animal). Sheep rarely develop clinical signs, and experimentally infected goats have never been shown to exhibit any signs of EHD(CFSPH 2006). Typically, EHD doesn’t kill livestock, but it may affect the production industry negatively because of affects from the disease such as cattle weight loss and lameness. This is a main reason livestock owners and farm owners need to be aware of EHD

See next post, it duplicated so I deleted this one...

Yeah, he is looking for some moral support for ways he thinks he can loophole the law or is opening this topic to mock science or scientists. He doesn't even know for sure the deer are starving... When he gets blood work done I wonder if he interprets the lab results for his physician... I remember a moderator on here locked a thread when someone encouraged breaking the law, I wonder why they let this one go on... And even IF they were starving, why would doing something that interferes with their absorption of food help? By now you should know what that something is....

I have experience with horses, it would be easier, but I get your point, I think...

If its early fall then he should be near his maximum weight...

Please tell them what you said above means starvation, particularly this part: "At the same time, the deer isn't getting the VFA's (volatile fatty acids that "grass bacteria" produce) that are turned into glucose (the bodies main energy source)". You also said this: So feeding too much concentrate = Bad. No doubt, however keep in mind, Lactic Acidosis or rumen acidosis, whichever term you prefer, isn't restricted to commercial feed products. It can be caused by grain and hay and probably many other things people might try to feed deer...

Note: Big rack, summer , green grass, abundant natural food, not a lactating female, eating out of a feeder which supplements natural food. Also note the bucks rib cage is showing? What is the "common sense" explanation for this? According to the Minnesota Deer hunters Association and many people on this board, CWD, EHD, and Lactic Acidosis are all some left wing conspiracy engineered by Cuomo, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton - so we forget about Bengazzi ya know... . The MDHA even got their elected officials to force the DNR to feed deer, that just proves they know what they are talking about, them boys must got the facts straight and needed to set their DNR straight about them facts you know.... So what is the management prescription based on this bucks body condition? Do ya suppose they need to use a different kind of feed? Maybe the coyotes keep runnin em around so much the are a lossen the pounds... Maybe a year round yote season with a bounty?

Oh, OK, whatever you say Gus... Please tell the chief that Hooper drives the boat...

Oh, look at that it says in bold the DNR did this "reluctantly". I predicted that because I have a crystal ball...

You are correct I was not aware of what was going on in Minnesota. But I just looked it up and here is what it sounds like to me, based on what I read, where I read it, and - where I did not read it... I see NOTHING about that on Minnesota DNR's website, despite a few news articles about it found by a google search. Then I read the news articles... Apparently the Minnesota state legislature made a law from a quote "agreement" between the DNR and organized deer hunters to temporarily suspend feeding bans when the WSI or weather severity index reaches a certain point. That doesn't mean the Minn. DNR necessarily endorses this and because they are not bragging about in on their website, it is a good bet they are doing this reluctantly to appease the political pressure or comply with a law they may not agree with. The news articles also indicate the DNR is already saying they want to revisit this with the deer hunters... Your tone sounds like you are implying that this action in Minnesota is based on science or best management practices and should be a precedent for 360 degree reversal of policy in NY and across the US... However, the tone of the news articles indicates it is socio-political, not scientific. The fact MDNR is not promoting it on their own website reinforces the tone of the newspaper rather than yours...

Hooper drives the boat, Chief....

Off course deer do starve to death because of lack of food, but do you know that supplemental feeding can cause them to starve down to skin and bones? The Pope here feels its needed to invalidate my earlier comments with sarcastic reference to "upset tummies" or however he put it, but what actually happens is the animal, even though it is eating, is not absorbing nutrients and starves. This isn't something that is up for debate, the mechanism is well understood... You should make your friend aware of that so that he doesn't start feeding them because of the dead ones he found or if he already has been feeding deer or wildlife in general, hopefully will stop and remove the remaining food... CWD also causes deer to "waste" down to skin and bones, by the way.

I never known anyone to store hay outdoors unless they are round bales wrapped in plastic... It is common knowledge that hay should be kept dry... Even if what you said was true, does this dude even own any horses or livestock, because if he does not, the next question would be what is he doing with it? Let me guess, an archery backstop?

I would check with a lawyer about "prima facie evidence" before arguing a case that the cops did not actually observe the act of hunting... The cops might be allowed to presume a person is hunting and issue a ticket for hunting just because he is in possession of a gun ... Like I said, its best to talk to a lawyer...

Probably not, but what good use is hay if it gets wet? Its not free and one would be curious as to why someone neglected it...