mike rossi

Populous Rhetoric, Pro - Ignorance and Anti-Intellectualism By Mike Rossi It is often impossible to present a comprehensive portrait in the context of a single post or rebuttal. Especially when communicating with a diverse audience about complex or multiple concepts. By contrast it is easier to create attractive propaganda at an eighth grade comprehension level. It is at that education level which is believed material will read by the greatest number of people. Emotional messages are much more effective than than factual messages when the information must be restricted in size and/or understood by the majority, such as in a letter to a newspaper or a television “infomercial”. In other words, it is easier to embellish the facts in a brief, reader – friendly format than it is to summarize the facts accurately in the same concise manner. But the above refers to advertising and propaganda. What is meant by populous rhetoric, pro– ignorance, and anti-intellectualism? Defining it only takes one sentence: Populous ideology rejects education and science; and by that definition it is therefore pro-ignorance. Describing it so it can be identified takes more than one sentence however and the following paragraphs do just that…. A populous argument is not characterized by brevity and/or conciseness. To the contrary they are extremely pedantic and often are borderline incoherent rants. As a matter of fact they often can be characterized as long essays which are hard to summarize and deliberately ambiguous and vague. A populous is not interested in presenting the facts accurately nor does he necessarily know or understand the facts. A populous will deliver his case or respond in a manner that will impugn motives, besmirch character, obfuscate, or he will simply change the subject… Populous rhetoric is not fact-driven and analytical but rather narrative-driven and emotional. They operate on what they wish are the facts or what they want others to believe. The tone of a populous defines austerity and is stern and authoritative. Even in print you get a sense a populous is yelling at you. A populous offers endless recriminations after they have already been lost… They will wage war on basic and apolitical concepts like quantitative analysis and polling. Ironically, in the realm of hunting and conservation the populist “majoritans” use the ballot box to guide the discharge of hunting and conservation policy, not science… However, even when their personal special interests are minority and esoteric they still manage to recruit the unbenefited majority into their camp, in some cases even if the proposal sought compromises them – very easy to do if the flow of factual information is manipulated…

You know something dude, I don't hunt deer and since their conservation status is excellent, I don't worry about them... CWD initial response is pretty simple because the home range of a deer is known. Basically when you discover a positive animal you draw a circle around where you found it and start shooting inside that circle until you don't see deer anymore. Since the animals home range is about a square mile the disease wont leap very fast. If it leaps to the next square mile you draw another circle and start shooting again. Sounds like a good time, lol... If some or all of the ten or twenty deer hanging around your house die from rumen acidosis, you and your neighbors are the only ones who are going to notice, not me, not Shawhu, and not even the DEC.

There is only two in Jefferson county however. Licensed anyway... And one of them is called Four Seasons run by a Mike Kerry...

This is what the DEC means when they say on their website mourning dove hunting will not occur until we build political support for it! Do not let this discourage you from submitting your public comment however! But tomorrow is the deadline! http://www.antonnews.com/massapequanobserver/news/36111-not-ready-for-a-swan-song.html

Here is what to do: Here in New York, the DEC (Department of Environmental Conservation) has asked for public comment about their draft mute swan management plan. In this draft plan is the NYS DEC's strategies for controlling this invasive species. In NY, mute swan numbers are at an all time high- the DEC estimates around 2,200 free ranging mute swans. As you probably already know mute swans monopolize and defend huge breeding territories -entire ponds and small marshes - thereby displacing breeding pairs of native waterfowl. Mute swans actively pursue, harass and kill native waterfowl by drowning them. Mute swans also destroy vast quantities of SAV (submerged aquatic vegetation), and are known to attack people and animals. Please share this important waterfowling issue with your Facebook page and please provide this easy to follow step by step account of how and where to find the plan and make comment: *Review the DEC’s draft mute swan management plan at the following link, pay particular attention to the strategies. Link: http://www.dec.ny.go...mgmtpln2013.pdf *Refer to the timeline and events section of NY Dove Hunting Facebook page for talking points you can use or combine with your own to compose a written public comment : https://www.facebook...85109562/?ref=5. *Email your comments before the deadline of February 21 to [email protected] with the subject “Swan Plan” *Share this post with your friends and groups. *Go back to NY Dove Hunting page and “Like” the page.

On the DEC’s social media today Jeffrey A Frick Will you just kill them like you want to kill the swans? Lynn Tricia Its called birth control on the population Remy Vicious so do mute swans. please desist with your cruel & unnecessary proposal to kill them. they can be controlled by spaying they needn't be "culled" they have been here hundreds of years with minimal impact & interact peacefully with other waterfowl like canadian geese & mallard ducks. i have lived by or in the brooklyn waterways all my life. swans do not tread on muddy marsh grasses they're too heavy to do so. conserve our wildlife do not destroy it! the overwhelming preponderance of park visitors are there to enjoy nature & wildlife & are not hunters. do not pander merely to hunters. there isn't sufficient evidence that your plan to "cull" all mute swans fron nys by 2025 will be in any way beneficial to our waterways. it certainly will not be a boon to park tourism! Christian Di Lalla PREPARE FOR CIVIL WAR IF YOU KILL SWANS 6 people like this. James R. Sullivan As wildlife Conservationist i am very upset they want to kill the sawns on long island. we need to stop killing wildlife in the state of new york. it seems like all we talk about is killing wildlife. NYS picks a Animal they do not want in new york state and than we go and create hunting season 5 people like this. Bob Rose Invasive species such as the MUTE swans and the wild pigs that are now part of our landscape, ruin habitat and are in direct competition with our native species. To the folks that are posting against this- are you aware there are actually d...ifferent species of swans in North America? NY is the only state in the Eastern flyway that has not met the goal of the Mute swan population reduction. Before you dig you heels in with an emotional response, I encourage you to read DEC's 11 page report.See More Diane Prokop Chatterton I heard from Channel 12 News that you are going to shoot the swans on long island. Instead of doing this terrible act, why don't you thin out their eggs. As far as these beautiful swans attaching anyone, I have been to these parks many ti...mes and I have never ever seen these birds attaching anyone. I do wildlife photography and go to these parks a lot. When people bring their dogs to the park, I've seen their dogs attack these birds all the time but does that mean we are going to put down these dogs, of course not. Birth control is more the answer and not a massive killing of a beautiful swan.See More 9 people like this. Carla Jean Page SHAME ON YOU FOR MURDERING SWANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MURDERERS!!!!!!!! 5 people like this. Adam Silber this agency is exactley whats wrong with governement. does nothing but kill kill kill Jennifer Lysogorski likes this. Ryan Reading There crooked as a 2 dollar bill Walter C. PlumeKilling animals like swans is not managing them!!!! You need to be dismantled!!!! The foxes are guarding the hen house. Shame on you!!!!!!!!! Sue Miller likes this. Amazon CrackerI think the planned massacre of the mute swans is horrifying! 2 people like this. Joan Patricia Steinacher-Napolitano totally agree. January 17 at 6:24pm · Like · 1 Yvonne Kleine I do believe the Lord God is weeping at our constant brutality and folly. This is animal cruelty of the vilest sort. · Like · 2 Sue MillerThe killing of Mute swans across America is one of the most despicable hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American tax payer. To even consider spending tax payers hard earned dollars on this in the worst economy is unacceptable. This killing of... an ENTIRE SPECIES is based upon monetary gain & complete disregard for sound environmental practices. The Killing or proposal to kill Mute swans is taking place in New York, Michigan, Maryland, N.J. & other states. The Mute swans are currently being killed because there is no "Trophy Waterfowl" for hunters .The excuses for killing Mute swans is that they 2 people like this.

No, your name is Mike Kerry,,, And you say I have been schooled and you will let me know what? I have been schooled? Really again.... Yeah I read the story, the guy was involved with rehab of injured wild animals, taxidermy and raising captive deer. One of their captive deer tested positive and they were concerned about some wild rehabs they released after they recovered. That doesn't prove or isn't even suggestive that the wild infected the captive. Listen, I don't care what you do for a living . However you choose to make a lot of assumptions and malevolent comments. One example is you have repeated over and over I never worked with animals in a barn and I live vicariously. How would you know? And even if that was true, how does it add to the discussion, do you think most people want to hear your populous, anti-intellectual rants or hear you tell me don't know what I am talking about over and over? Or do you think if you repeat it enough times it will be believed? At this point it doesn't make any sense to continue discussing this with you or on here at all. You spoke your mind and I spoke my mind, so I am done.

It could be that too, but they do the same thing in the summer...

Grit and road salt. They need to swallow pellet sized stones periodically to grind hard food. All animals have a salt drive.

Comment Period Ends February 21, comment can be emailed, there is still time! The antis have sent in thousands of letters and also submitted petitions with over 1,000 signatures each... Don't complain if you don't participate... Two days left!

Then your name is Krebs? And you didn't write post 76, that is an article that is almost ten years old which you copied and pasted... But now that you revealed that you are in the business of raising deer, I think I know why you posted it. It is because you like the last two sentences. (Below, italics) "If the fawn was originally wild, exposed through taxidermy work on other wild animals, and then released back to the wild, it would be difficult to say that captive animals brought disease to wild animals. It would be more acceptable to say the wild animals have introduced this disease to captive animals." "More acceptable to say the wild animals have introduced this disease to captive animals"... Really? Why don't you tell me about it?

Why do you think everyone is stupid and you are not? For example you said this: "Do you think that maybe injecting a 3 ounce mouse compared to injecting a 200 pound deer may have something to do with it?"

Cut and paste like you did with the almost 10 year old news paper article when CWD was discovered near Westmorland , NY? You pasted it on in a manner that it appeared it was written by you... You want to revisit post 13? You had your chance you to show you get your hands dirty; Potter and UpstateNomad90 answered, but for the first time you kept your mouth shut... Because you probably do as much as you know....

Maybe I will write one some day... I see I wasn't clear, but I was referring to the movement driven by organized sportsmen in NY and the conservation advisory board or cfab to reduce the price of hunting licenses. The new license fee reduction will save you ten dollars in ten years. In the same ten years it will impact the conservation fund about 8 million dollars. Ironically just a few years ago there was a movement in NY to raise the fees for sporting licenses.... The loss of 8 million dollars might also reduces the federal conservation grant eligibility because the state needs to invest one dollar for every three dollars it receives in Pitman Robertson funds... The most common source of matching dollars is usually the conservation fund... NY also diverts part of its license revenue in a manner which violates what is known as assent legislation and also breaches the conditions of receiving Pitman Robertson grants. The USFWS administers the PR program and has been working with the DEC for several years but they are becoming fed up with NY. The USFWS can disqualify a state from the program for diverting its sporting license revenue from a specific parameter of conservation uses. The state has been diverting and misusing hundreds of millions of dollars derived from the sale of life time sporting licenses and I believe that is inconsistent with assent legislation. To be eligible to participate in the PR program a state must pass assent legislation which is a law that prohibits the use of sporting license revenue for anything except a specific parameter of conservation uses. NY does indeed have such a law, but I do not believe it abides by it because revenue from life time licenses is separated from other license revenues and handed over to the state comptroller who puts it into the state investment pool, which really is not fundamentally different from putting it in the general fund. Keep in mind, although there most definitely is an ongoing issue in NY regarding its eligibility for PR funds; nobody has disclosed exactly what that issue is. All that has been said over the ensuing years is that "there is an issue with the language in the budget"... What I said about the life time license revenue is only my speculation about what the issue is, not a statement from an official. However, it is indeed a fact that revenue from life time licenses is diverted out of the conservation fund and into STIP... The use of hunting as a funding strategy for conservation is well known. Again, this is my opinion, but it seems apparent that organized sportsmen and cfab drove the proposal to reduce license fees to shove back in retaliation to the safe act. Not only does this demonstrate a lack of commitment and a weak conservation ethic, it is analogous to "misdirected anger". The DEC did not drive the safe act. Ironically the state wont even feel the impact of this retaliation outside the DEC's wildlife and fisheries bureaus, the divisions that are associated with hunting and fishing... How smart is that?

If a corporation was loosing 10% of its revenue every year and the long term projections do not see that trend reversing, the corporation would look for new customers... Sporting License revenue has been dropping 10% I believe over the long term and as we all know other than a reversal this year that seems to be the course modern society is taking... Wildlife agencies realize they can no longer depend on sportsmen to fund conservation forever... They know they must develop new funding strategies for the future and have begun fostering a non-shooting conservation culture... We already lost that bargaining chip, because we are already outspent and are donating less volunteer labor than non shooters. Anti hunters have complained for decades that they are under-represented in policy decisions. Hunters don't believe they rightfully have a say in wildlife management, but hunters are wrong about that... Anti hunters say that wildlife departments do not listen to them, but antis are wrong about that, they do listen but will only go so far. However once courts and/or lawmakers get involved science goes to the end of the line and public opinion goes to the front. There are numerous examples of such victories over wildlife agencies for both hunters and antis. I will give you one we discussed today: Minnesota DNR was forced to temporarily lift a ban on feeding deer and burn up $170,000 of their state conservation fund to provide feed and resources. The entity which drove this was the Minnesota Deer Hunters Association... The antis, especially the HSUS, do the same thing even more frequently than organized sportsmen... As a matter of fact, although I am aware statistical studies follow a design, I suspect here in NY the unpopular "5,000 hunter surveys" are using that sample size to match the average number of public comment received by non hunters rather than a statistical method. The reason I bring that up now is that I believe that in NY, the antis , due to the HSUS's networking outreach, exceed hunters in stakeholder participation. If that is true, then the claim they have less voice cannot also be true. Currently there are several open public comment periods. In a few weeks the tally of public comments on the bear and swan plans will be made public. I almost guarantee that the antis will have flooded the DEC and hunters will not even have urinated... If the DEC does not compromise a significant portion of their plan to appease them, which they probably will not, the antis will complain that they were the majority and the DEC just caters to hunters because of the revenue generated - just like the hunters say when biological decisions guided by science are not consistent with their political agenda... As I said, I have been publically outspoken against the promotion of the outdoors and funding conservation from non hunters without an educational outreach explaining that hunting is not inconsistent with conservation. I understand that engaging the public at large in conservation is a must, not an option, but the movement does not carry an effective message about hunting. I also mentioned the changing face of wildlife biologists. The student body being trained to manage wildlife and hunters in the past was mostly males many of who were from rural areas and/or were also hunters. The demographics of the wildlife class has changed. Now the typical wildlife biology graduate is a female from a suburban or urban back ground who does not have any experience with hunting. This is further complicated by the equal opportunity law which gives hiring preference to several so-called "protected groups".

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Potter, I read what you posted and did some other reading. I will grant you that emaciation represents a number of other diseases and EHD has its own distinct symptoms. Most of the online images of EHD casualties depict normal weight and the animal often dies in water. Indeed, if I saw an emaciated deer, my first guess and my second, would not be EHD. I should not have mentioned EHD suggestively with the photo of the CWD deer. However I reacted to your post because emaciation due to EHD is not unheard of. There is a chronic form, which deer sometimes recover from, and acute form, and a peracute form. As you indicated, the disease usually runs its course quickly, but sometimes the animal lives for some time or even recovers. Animals lose their appetite and suffer from other symptoms which interfere with feeding. Therefore in instances when the disease progresses slowly the animal might lose a visible amount of weight.

Maybe that is why a few of the exposed mice did not test positive... Not every infected deer takes two years to test positive and/or show signs of sickness. You keep adding things out of the blue... Besides, that is just one study out of many that all draw the same conclusions.... Other studies are on deer only not lab mice and the results are consistent...

Thanks for the article, I will read it later.

Good Job UN90. I think most of the guys who do the labor, as I have, know the day to day operations from how many bales to feed to how many pounds are produced to how much diesel it takes to run the honey wagon and everything between.. . When someone boasts about all this hands on experience in a way that invalidates someone else or an academic discipline, I would like to see if that person has actually been in the barn... A person who has been in the barn may not be able to answer from a 3,800 head herd manager's perspective, but he can demonstrate that he grabbed some teats, pitched square bales, and scooped some poop... I been there, he says I was not and he is/was. He asks for all this proof like who the heck he thinks he is.... Yet I don't see any proof he has been in the barn, lol...

I am not claiming to be an expert on zoonosis, but sorry, I just don't see how EHD can be an acute condition. I agree it may kill without body wasting, but I don't see why it would not cause emaciation, especially considering the known symptoms, particularly "loss of appetite." When I get some time I am going to review some of literature on EHD, you got my curiosity up. I asked you what you did for a living? I don't recall that...

Just a second Potter... Not getting off the hook so easy... There was implication about me or other persons not having real world practical experience in post 13 ... I am sure you can answer my earlier questions regarding dairy mangement. Upstate Nomad 90 answered in post 18, I didn't check his math, but I will trust it... However we haven't heard from the author of post 13... No helping Potter, that's cheating, like feeding deer...

Whatever. This started with you claiming EHD is an acute disease. If you want to tell me why that is true go ahead, maybe I can learn something.... By the way, the buck in the picture was killed and the necropsy indicated it was in fact CWD...

I found you on linked in, I see that... http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-potter/2a/463/728

I see, if this is him he knows better. Is this you? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-potter/2a/463/728