Four Season Whitetail's

Why dont you do the math for us? 200.000 deer taken in the state not counting the 1000's of road killed and they test 2000? What % might that be? I am still waitin for you know it all to show me a case of a of a dead deer confirmed dead from CWD and i can show ya proof of a few different products sold in Ny that may be loaded with the prions. Next?

They are bigger than this site and there is no way other than DNA to figure one of them out. Thats like a simple guy like me saying one of my book bucks were not shot with lighted sites on my bow. Pretty funny though.

LOL....2012 News?? They have no clue if there is any high fence deer in the book or not.

Its already here they just dont test enough in the area where it walks right into the state. Just think if it comes from a farm? 100% testing every deer, Closed borders, Yearly inventory,Double fencing for many... Thing is now the states are talking of making any property owner that has a case on their property must fence it for 5 years and put it on the deed so future owners know there was disease found on that property. LOL Cant wait to see the buzz over that one. Fair is fair i guess!

Nah...Most dont even care if they see a buck or not. They all wake up in hopes of just enjoying the day !

Let the deer kill numbers keep dropping and soon they will let you use anything you want to kill. More doe tags givin out yet less does taken? They think they need all these doe killed they will open the floodgates.

Those 150 pound bucks does that to some people.

Ya along with trying to ban Urine both of which has never been proven but bird and vermin transfers has been shown over and over. Typical......

Depends where your at i guess. States like Pa have them on both sides..Illinois is working towards 1000 cases in the wild but never on a farm. West Virginia has 100's of cases in wild yet none on farm. Point being that the state of Ny among others preach to hunters and farmers to do everything in their power to keep CWD out yet they test at less 0.00001% of testable animals and then support crap like feeding untested animals to birds and vermin for surveys.

Not really...I unload mine at a target every time i get done hunting with mine. Not good to keep them limbs stressed. And to try and re-cock up in climber is a whole different kind of PIA.

Oh you mean the farms that test at 100% compared to the states 0.000001 of a percent? Yeah i guess that shows how much they really care about it. Yet they talk about banning urine because it may transfer the prion- Which has never been a proven thing. The way they test, Hunters will be eating positive meat years before they ever find a positive.

This shows how much the state of Ny has vested in seeing if CWD really is in the state. 203,000 killed in the state. 14,000 deer in DEC hands to pull a sample from. 2000 Tested in the whole state? What is that like .000001% testing numbers? Yup really looking out for a Disease. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The biggest issue is the double standards....States shut down their borders to farmers from selling animals from farm to farm that have been tested for a minimum of 5 years and most are 10-15 years tested. Yet states are relocating Elk into CWD free state from CWD positive states and say they are tested? Now mind you the USDA does not support any live test yet the test for the Elk is accepted yet there is no farm that can use the same test. The feeding of birds and vermin of untested deer is playing with a much bigger fire then moving a deer from a 10 year tested deer farm. Its all agenda drivin and has been from the jump but now with the industry is finally fighting back the double standards and as shown with the Iowa farm these judges are being shown the double standards and ended up costing that state millions. I kinda like the bird and some of the other critters pic's having a feast but if the state is going to allow that action then all animals must be tested first, That cost $$$ and we all know where that will end.

See there you kinda hit the nail on the head......The lawsuit is starting in Pa and will likely come this way. You see when they say a deer farm in the state is shut down and depopulated or shut down with no movement because of a disease that is found in wild and on farm but yet allow the feeding and spreading of untested animals to wild birds and vermin which has been 100% proven----I am sure you have already googled this-- to be one of the biggest vectors of moving the prions around the countryside then there is a problem. When you have a state that shuts down the borders for deer movement between states because of a disease because there is a chance of moving a disease yet they allow the feeding of untested animals to another large vector of proven disease movement. When in fact the farms in these situation are 10-15 years of animals being tested negative for any disease yet the wild herd outside the fence have been determined positive for the same disease. You see the problem is not with you feeding the birds the remains yet it is a problem with the state giving you untested deer to feed the birds or to any person any road killed animals that have not been tested negative first. The lawsuits are filed on the double standards being used by the states against the industry. We all know that the agenda against the high fence industry is because of the amount of money that is being taken from their coffers because of the fact that hunters do not need to buy their tags to hunt the private lands. Its always been about the money and the disease is just the scapegoat they have tried to use all these years. This is just an ongoing lawsuit going from state to state after a couple years ago the state of Iowa was sued by a farmers and ended up paying the farmer millions in restitution and was proven that the state could not make the farm keep their fences up to keep wild deer out after the state destroyed all the farm deer. Backfired on them and now the industry is footing the bill from state to state with the lawsuits. Its obvious that you dont keep up on the disease movement and the vectors but now in some states the law was written by USDA that a deer farm had to leave their fence up for 5 years and could not use that land for anything, Now there were never any rules against a property outside a farm when a positive deer was found, Now courts are saying that that is far from right and are saying that if that can be held against a farm then any surveyed piece of property that has a positive found must also be fenced with 8ft fence and put on the deed that a disease has been found on said property because it may effect future owners. You can only guess how much shit that has stirred against the private landowners and they are not real happy about said possible rulings......Double Standards again you see? So its not you or the birds or the vermin that is the real issue....Its just that your activities and the backing by the state is part of the double standards.

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DEC is now and have always used a guessing game when it comes to deer numbers. Like years ago they used deer counts at winter deer yards? Like that is going to even be close. Until they make it law that hunters must report their kills and return unused tags they will continue to only guess at the numbers the think are out there. If other hunters do not want to report their kills then thats on them but thats just another number the DEC guess at--The % of hunters that do not report. Not really shocked..Ny DEC has always been slacking rather it be DEC officers or better ways of keeping track of the deer herds in all parts of the state.

I would dare ya to come this way and say that. lol

Yup because their so called educated guess is way off in some areas. Up here more do not report than do report. We know so many that have not reported in years and that no doubt throws off their guess.

That has always been just a guess. And always a wrong one at that. I think the reporting part is decided somehow with...The numbers of hunters by the numbers of harvested reported deer by this and by that and come up with a reporting number.

Probably a bit of both. I know numbers suck up here in the North property and low down in 8M area but not near as bad as the North. I found it kinda strange with the doe tag numbers of givin and killed and then the adult doe take? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Well if you want to hear what my best buddy and hunting partner that is a Watertown cop and also on the drug task force does when called on these kind of calls I am sure he would have no problem filling you in. He is one of those ones stuck between a rock and a hard spot. Knows it's useless crap pulling guns out of a house and going thru hours of paperwork but has to do the job. Like I said. Keep riding right along with those Anti's Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah that jump took little effort on the animals part. Whitetails running across wide open hayfields with snow shows what kind of beasts they are in the leaping world.

If you think for one second that if you piss your wife off and she calls the law and says one word about threat and guns your case wont be empty before you have time to be cuffed and thrown in the back seat you are a fool Thats like saying guns were not taken away from some on anti anxiety meds for a period of time. it will come down to people on pain med's for long term back injury and such being looked at. Keep sticking that head in the sand. Andy is your friend!

Ha...You think some wont have adult kids? That one chick will use the kids right along with the agenda of getting him a low blow at all costs. If you think these days it does not take more than one 911 call to get a guys guns taken away instantly and then him having the burden of trying to get them back. I believe i have read where its already went down and now with this new sighing by our Dick a day or two ago now it does not even take a felony to lose them all. Due time and more will come. keep supporting that Anti shit.