Dr Ignominious Death

An' you dun kill'dit. (Best thread this week, thanks for the light reading.)

I should have clarified: "southern zone" however on the fall turkey map I'll be hunting in the dark blue or 8 and 9. I think the date you provided was the 2012 start date for fall turkey. Are those dates the same every year or is there a formula of sorts of the start of season as I mentioned in my first post? Thanks for you help, I appreciate it.

Not to get ahead of the spring hunt, but does anyone know when the Fall Turkey Season starts in 2013? I have to put in my vacation requests this week for the entire 2013-2014 year and much to my wife's chagrin, my vacation requests will coincide with regular deer, fall turkey, spring turkey and some scattered long weekends. I know the deer season follows a formula of sorts to predict when the season starts, I was wondering if there are any formulas pertaining to spring/fall turkey season for 2013/2014. Or if anyone KNOWS the starting dates, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks.

Little Debbies snacks, water and whatever was left in my pack from the previous trip (I've eaten granola bars that had expired by years). My favorite snack when out back-country fishing is lemon-pepper kipper snacks with saltines and mustard. It will put hair on any part of the body that is lacking.

A little bit more from the paper. It does not mention anything about ownership of the gun, just that the gun was "kept in the residence". The study was in 1998 in a low power journal at the time. Just because something gets published, doesn't qualify the article. I think including the suicide statistics is also a confounding variable because it is including individuals who purposeful used the weapons to cause injury or death. This data would be better interpreted by comparing the number of gun owners who use their gun to commit suicide vs non-suicidal gun owners. It's biased to include suicides because had they not had a gun, I'd imagine that they would have used some other means to commit suicide. What's interesting is the authors don't identify the demographics of the gun "owners" and many other factors which contribute to irresponsible use of firearms (h/o of mental illness, gun safes, trigger locks, etc). Although we went to great lengths to collect complete information on each case, this was not always possible. Some victims were too injured or impaired to recall specific details of their injury event. Others were unwilling to report specific details of their shooting. To maximize detection of cases and minimize the potential for misreporting, we attempted to link each hospital and/or emergency department record with its corresponding police report. This was accomplished in a large majority of cases. [13] In the three cities we studied, health care personnel are required to report gunshot injuries to the authorities. [18-20] Unfortunately, this reporting did not always occur. In busy emergency departments, a case can be overlooked if personnel assume that someone else has already called the police. Patients who wish to avoid detection may dissuade health care workers from reporting a case by claiming that police documented the facts on the scene. [21] Counting cases of fatal and nonfatal injury does not measure all of the potential benefits and risks of keeping a gun in the home. A gun can be used to scare away an intruder without a shot being fired. <a class="fulltext-RA" href="http://ovidsp.tx.ovid.com.ezpminer.urmc.rochester.edu/sp-3.8.0b/ovidweb.cgi?QS2=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#66">[3] Simply keeping a gun in the home may deter some criminals who fear confronting an armed homeowner. [2]

Better to get them both done at the same time, one round of sedation, one round of go-lytely (not so lytely) one round of oral barium and possibly rectal barium. Hope all is well.

Paperboy, basketball referee, Little Caeser's in High school, Maintenance and Electrical Assistant in college, Stem cell researcher in Medical School, now I'm a damn slave at the hospital working 80 hrs a week getting paid like 11$ an hour as a resident in Anesthesiology and pain medicine. Hope to become an interventional pain specialist then to buy a ton of land and build my Doomsday bunker.

I understand your frustration and attempt to compare an icon of health and safety against now what is considered an icon of "a scourge on society" and I do get humor and think it is kind of funny. I get it is a joke aimed to portray your frustration, however, the doctor and terrible epidemiologist in me feel that I must point out some terrible errors in your logic and statistical analysis....oh I wish my epi/statistician professor or anyone else who likes that boring crap would comment. Not sure where to begin. First, when quoting stats, you must include your specific source by citation, otherwise 97% of stats are BS. Secondly, you are comparing dependent variables that are not controlled for or defined in any way. You are making assumptions without appropriate context or relationship. Without even touching the T-square analysis, confidence intervals, causal vs association arguments, null hypothesis, etc, etc. you are comparing doctors to accidental deaths as quantal, i.e. yes or no. It should be accidental death per doctor, but more so accidental death per doctor visit or even more appropriately, accidental death per doctor-pt interaction. A gun can only cause death when it is being used in one way or another and most of the time they are unloaded sitting in a safe. Whereas everytime a doctor orders a test, a lab, a medication, the patient is at risk for an adverse effect that could potentially lead to their death. On some days, I may see 3-20 patients depending on my responsibilities for that day. If any of those patients die, by your logic I am the one doctor that caused one death and therefor there is a significant association of death related to Dr. mistakes. But if you look at how many doctors saw that patient that day or just everytime I did anything that could lead to that patient's demise, it could well be up to over a 1000 interactions in one day. Therefore, if one of my interactions caused an "accidental death" you would then say 1:1000. So in very very simplified terms, your number of accidental deaths per physician is grossly overstated. I'm tired, this is really a pointless exercise. Imagine how many more people would die from GSWs if there weren't any doctors? That's what is called a confounding variable. Ban people, not guns.

Thanks for the replies, especially WNYBuckHunter. I have not made any modifications to it so it should be legal to sell. By the way, I intend to get my NRA membership with some of the money from the sale.

I have an old Hi-Point 9mm carbine (stock) that I am hoping to sell tomorrow to another NY resident. My question is it legal for me to sell this firearm to another NY resident? From what I have read, it is legal to perform private sales and I do not need to have a license to sell or need perform a background check on this individual. However, I have read the state laws (I'm far from a lawyer) and from what I gather, the Hi-point may meet the definition of an "assault rifle" because it is 1. an semi-automatic rifle, 2. has a pistol grip 3. has a detachable magazine. If the hi-point carbine is considered an assault rifle, that's one sorry AR. So, I don't know if anyone has any advice or legal knowledge if I can legally sell this gun or not. The "exchange" goes down tomorrow. I do plan on writing up a bill of sales with his name, the weapon's manufacturing number, getting his NY license number and having him sign that piece of paper. Any other recommendations? Thanks. Derek

I'd fire a few rounds through the paper and re-submit the paper for regrading....just kidding, you are too cleaver to do that. Congrats on a great paper and score.

Thanks guys, that is some great info. In terms of baiting, I might have to leave some sedatives out for the bunnies to see if I can even the playing field a little. And I second the nomination for someone to take me hunting. My wife and kid are visiting fam back west so since I'll have christmas off, if weather permitting, I think I'll head out and try to bring some Christmas joy to some squirrels and have myself some squirrel legs for dinner.

General question: Do squirrels hibernate? I had a lot of grays running around my house in mid-fall but now I have seen very few recently and none since the snow arrived. I know I have seen squirrels in the winter so I doubt they go into a full-blown hibernation, but rather a state of lower metabolism, inactivity and less foraging as they have made some stores during the times of abundance. So I wonder how is the best way to go about finding them. Do squirrel calls work? Anyone try leaving out peanut butter or some other attractant? Should I just bury myself in the snow and wait for a homeless squirrel to wander within range? So anyone that has any insight on how to find squirrels (or rabbits) during the winter, I would greatly appreciate any knowledge you are willing to impart. I got into the hunting season/sport late and don't think I can wait 9 months or so for the season to start.

That's what I was referring to with the law being on my side, I knew it would have been an illegal and unsafe shot...for the squirrel.

Yeehaw! Got the 12 gauge! What a world of temptation I live in. Took my shottie (haven't given her a name yet) out of the box and in the next hour or so, I saw a few squirrels running around in the back yard, one in particular which I feel was trying to commit suicide by eager gun owner as he kept roaming around easily within range. Unfortunately, I have neighbors on nearly every side of me and despite multiple attempts of the little devil on my shoulder telling me I could get one shot off without arousing enough neighborly concern to call the police, I restrained myself and resorted to swearing an oath to the little squirrel that I would find his friends and family on another day when the law was on my side. I'm happy to see all the enthusiastic fly-fishers on the site. I have heard/read a lot about the great lake tribs, especially the Salmon river. From what I can tell about the Salmon, it seems to be more of the "combat" fly-fishing flavor. I understand the payout is huge pigs, however I have always tried to avoid these types of fishing scenarios. Most of the fishing I have done in the west was on fairly remote rivers, lakes and streams that required some effort to access and thus was rare to see other fisherman outside my party. I do recall one occasion where I was caught in the middle of a combat fishing scenario. It was on a lake that for 2 weeks of the year-fished amazingly and you could easily catch your fair share of 6-10 lbs Lahontan cutts. Despite it being a fairly large lake, all the fish congregated in one end of the lake and thus so did the fisherman. Despite being the first people on the lake that morning, several hours later I found my brother and myself had eventually been surrounded by about 12 other pontoons in a perfect circle and everyone casting into the center of the ring of about 30 ft diameter of water. We were having a little success prior and all the sudden, everyone feels that they should be casting right where we were since we had already caught a few fish. Lines starting getting tangled, people started moving closer to us and interfering with our casts. Just not my style of fishing. However, I would be remiss not to dip my line in the Salmon at least once. Anyone ever fish it with a 5wt rod?

I appreciate the input regarding shotgun gauge. I think I'll go for the 12 gauge, get the combo now and worry about getting a deer rifle later. Most of my deer hunting will likely be in region 8 or surrounding area...still have a lot of research to do. Thanks.

Hello everyone! (I hope I didn't lose credit starting off with an exclamation). As the title suggests, I recently moved from the great northwest to Rochester. As I make this transition in my life, I've decided to graduate from what my brothers and I call "the poor man's sport" of fly-fishing; so I am hanging up my fly rods (temporarily-but they'll be handy in case I get the itch) and I'm moving on to something I have wanted to do my entire life--hunting. As I hope to make many acquantiances and potentially a few good friends, I'll share a little about myself. I'm 30ish years old, husband and father to a 4 mo son. I moved from Washingtons state to Rochester to begin working as a resident physician. I grew up with fly-fishing all over the great northwest, Utah, Montana and Idaho and love spending time in the outdoors. I've always enjoyed firearms and have done a fair amount of pistol and clay shooting, but never had anyone to show me the ropes of hunting and thus I have been a hunting "virgin", perhaps "greenie". However, I have since obtained my hunting lisence in NY and am the proud owner of a .22 rifle. Oh yeah, the big caliber. As I didn't know where to start, I started with squirrels. However, I wish to broaden by arsenal and pursue a variety of game. So as I researched which rifle to purchase in preparation for deer season (next year) I asked the only hunter I know in the area and he informed me that I need to purchase a shotgun as in the part of the country (the majority) deer cannot be taken with rifles. And thus, thankfully I was able to avoid spending upwards of one thousand or so dollars on a rifle that I could not use for deer which leads me to one of the many reasons I decided to join this forum...to tap into the endless fountain of knowledge and years of experiene of seasoned hunters. I plan on purchasing a combo field/deer shotgun tomorrow and hopefully this firearm will allow me to pursue many different critters. I hope to hunt everything from squirrels and rabbits, potentially ducks, pheasants all the way to deer (I even bought a deep freezer for hopefully deer meat in the future). I beg someone to help "edumacate" me so I can bag a deer otherwise that freezer will end up full of my wife's veggies and other rabbit food. So, I welcome any advice anyone has to offer. If anyone wants someone to go hunting with, to split the gas bill and have a meal or two on me, I'd be happy to go. Plus, it may not be a bad thing to have a doctor along on a hunt, I'm sure I have a few stories that could shock any seasoned hunter. "some catchy sign-off" D