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Thus Spaketh the Prophet! Abandon your logic and reason! Let there be arrowgun! I'm sure the lobbyists are very pleased to have you on their team, and one less constituent they need to persuade.

You and I might not see eye-to-eye. But it's not for a lack of trying on my part. Yeah, I get that one holds the crossbow like a rifle, and pulls a trigger to release the arrow, like a rifle. All you need to do to know that I understand that is to read my prior posts without cherry-picking points. Furthermore, the difference between a crossbow and a vertical bow of any type is visually apparent and could be determined by anyone that has once played the game "One of These Things is Not Like the Other." But the crossbow uses a bow and string to propel the arrow. Bow. String. Arrow. The difficulty with crossbow inclusion in archery season is the definition of archery, which requires a bow and a string that propels an arrow. That's archery. A crossbow meets that criteria, and adds additional features to the archery implement, like a rifle stock. An arrow gun doesn't match the criteria of archery because it fails to propel an arrow by means of a bow and string, and that's what you fail to admit despite repeated reasonable and factual explanations showing so. You are failing to admit the nuance in the definitive argument because you are either blinded by your predetermined expectation, or simply being unreasonable for effect. "It does not matter anymore how the arrow leaves the weapon" - You might be right for inclusion in archery season as determined by a political process, but that doesn't make the arrow gun an archery implement by the definition of archery. Re-read that. Now re-read it again. Stop... Let it sink in. Now, re-read it again. "Who will stop it now?" - It sure as shit ain't going to be you working to maintain an archery season in NYS.

CamBow, right?

If you add limbs and strings to propel the arrow, then you wouldn't have an arrowgun, you'd have a crossbow. Dude... You have some serious entrenched resistance to logic and acceptance of basic facts. The rule is ARCHERY season. Until it is redefined as "Longbow" or "Traditional" bow season, crossbow proponents have a LEGITIMATE argument, because the crossbow meets the basic criteria of ARCHERY. The arrowgun does not meet the basic criteria of ARCHERY, thus it does not belong in ARCHERY. You do not have a legitimate argument, and you know it, lol.

It ain't about "belief". This is my last shot at explaining very clear, fact-based differences. Adding elements to the basic definition of archery (limbs, string and arrow) is not the same as removing elements from the definition of archery. - Compound bow adds cams, trigger releases, etc., retains limbs, strings, arrow. - Crossbow adds stock of rifle, cams, scope, etc., retains limbs, strings, arrow. - Arrowgun REMOVES limbs and strings, thus is does not meet the basic criteria of archery. You're arguing that removing elements from the basic definition of archery is the same as adding to the definition of archery. They are not the same thing. Do you see the difference?

Well, since you keep repeating yourself, I may as well do the same... You're right! It's not an arrow rifle... It's an arrow gun, which means it belongs in gun season, and not in archery season, despite its ridiculous, factually incorrect, and branded name, "airbow." Now, let's pre-empt the comparison you're bound to make between the arrow gun and the crossbow. The arrow gun does not qualify as an archery implement, because, as you've noted, it's a gun which uses a chemical propellant to push an arrow out of its barrel. That's right, there's no bow! Ding! Ding! Ding! The arrow is only one-half of archery, which means it fails the test of satisfying archery criteria! #sadface... The crossbow, however, has characteristics of both a gun and a bow, but still uses a drawn string with energy stored in limbs, either compound or recurve, to propel an arrow (or bolt, in crossbow parlance), which means it satisfies the criteria of an archery implement, despite the gun characteristics it also has. And now you've just explained to yourself why the crossbow's inclusion in archery season is contested and a much more difficult question to satisfy than the baseless assertion that the "arrowgun" is an archery implement. Nice work!

Have you not seen the cutting edge suggestions of: - TankBow - Land MineBow (aka HarmlessBow) - ClaymoreBow - BazookaBow! (top secret!!!)

Just because DEC and the Legislature have a hard time getting their definitions correct doesn't mean you have to jump on the bullshit bandwagon, even though I see you're holding the reins. Your argument doesn't change the fact that arrowgun isn't an archery implement. That will never change, even if it is allowed in archery season. Be as smug as you want about your vision of the future. No one's disagreeing with you that it will be included at some capacity at some point. Your argument is that it should be allowed in archery simply because there's an arrow, you want it to be included, and you refer to the crossbow as some sort of justification. Myself and other folks on this thread have repeatedly shown you through logic, reason and definition that that argument is bullshit. So... if DEC or the Legislature include arrowgun in archery their argument will be bullshit too. You might be right in the end, but it doesn't make your argument any less ridiculous. Have fun with your arrowgun, prophet. I'm all thumbs when using Tapatalk

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Yeah, GUN season. I'm all thumbs when using Tapatalk

The video title refers to an ARROW GUN. I'm all thumbs when using Tapatalk

I don't know... It's too close to my top-secret invention, of which I'll share only the name: "BazookaBow!" Exclamation point included...

Renaming and redefining the season, or carving out a renamed and redefined season is a reasonable proposal, as long as definitive distinctions are made (for inclusion or not - above my paygrade) between crossbows, trad bows, and compound bows. Otherwise, the "archery" debate will continue over crossbows and vertical bows. An idea that just popped into my head is to have an every-other-year early season. Odd numbered years go to primitive weapons, and even numbered years go to anything that flings an arrow. Whatever... It's just an idea, and might have more traction than my "TankBow" or "HarmlessBow / Land MineBow" Hahahaaha.

You're right! It's not an arrow rifle... It's an arrow gun, which means it belongs in gun season, and not in archery season, despite its ridiculous, factually incorrect, and branded name, "airbow." Now, let's pre-empt the comparison you're bound to make between the arrow gun and the crossbow. The arrow gun does not qualify as an archery implement, because, as you've noted, it's a gun which uses a chemical propellant to push an arrow out of its barrel. That's right, there's no bow! Ding! Ding! Ding! The arrow is only one-half of archery, which means it fails the test of satisfying archery criteria! #sadface... The crossbow, however, has characteristics of both a gun and a bow, but still uses a drawn string with energy stored in limbs, either compound or recurve, to propel an arrow (or bolt, in crossbow parlance), which means it satisfies the criteria of an archery implement, despite the gun characteristics it also has. And now you've just explained to yourself why the crossbow's inclusion in archery season is contested and a much more difficult question to satisfy than the baseless assertion that the "arrowgun" is an archery implement. Nice work!

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Yawn.

That's a daft comment and an attempt to distract from the conversation about the arrowrifle.

"Archery is a bow with a string that you hold with one hand while pulling back the string with the other . Technique of archery" - No, that is not archery. That is use of a longbow or a compound bow. "Keep a relaxed grip on the bow handle. Position the string in the first groove of your first three fingers and slide your hand up directly under the arrow until there is no gap. Raise your out stretched bow arm level with the target, maintaining some flex in your elbow so your bow arm is not completely extended." - Ummm... This is a method by which one employs a longbow or maybe a compound bow. Still not archery. "It is just a matter of time." - Ahh... There's that "my vision of the future..."

You're straying from the topic which is: is this product that has been incorrectly named "airbow" an archery implement. The answer to that is... wait for it... No. Crossbow, by the definition of archery is an archery implement. It's inclusion or not in NYS archery season (or any other state's, for that matter) and the methods of employment that differentiate it from a trad bow or compound bow are irrelevant to the discussion on whether or not the arrowrifle, referred to by its manufacturer as "airbow", can be defined as an archery implement. Whether or not NYS DEC eventually allows for arrowrifle's inclusion in archery season does not change the fact that the implement does not match the definition of archery. I'd like to write "End of story", like you do, but you keep avoiding the point, so I await the next installment of "my vision of the future..." I'm all thumbs when using Tapatalk

Yeah, it is what it is: a rifle that shoots arrows. Want to put it gun season? Go ahead. If folks can't agree on basic definitions in the English language, there is no point in communicating in the English language. This arrowrifle is not archery equipment because some manufacturer named it "bow." Any investors for my "TankBow"? Better yet, how about my new idea for a land mine that shoots 30 arrows? I'm naming it, "HarmlessBow." C'mon. This is nonsense. I'm all thumbs when using Tapatalk

It's not in the Gov's budget bills, but the Senate might try and introduce it in their budget version (we're a ways away from that stage) like they did last year. Right now, the whole legislative universe is the state budget...

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Nope. Not a bow. It has a straight, fixed barrel. The manufacturer is slapping "bow" on the name for profitable branding, and it's a misnomer. A bow bends, like the curve on a ship's bow, or a courteous bow out of respect. Nothing "bow" about this rifle. Archery requires a bow and an arrow, not a rifle and an arrow. That's not subjective, that's definitive. I'm going to create a tank with a barrel that shoots an arrow and call it tankbow...

Yeah... I find myself staring at the poster and daydreaming.

On Thursday, February 8, the New York Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers will host a Pint Night at Common Roots Brewing Company in South Glens Falls. This here is an invitation to meet up and share some stories from this past year's season, or perhaps plan out some hunts for the remainder of predator, or for the upcoming seasons... Maybe even get some ideas flowing for a hunt out West. All while drinking some damn fine beer. It's a casual evening with good company, and we're planning on chatting about hunting, fishing, conservation issues and the great outdoors! It starts at 6:00 p.m., but the beer flows before and after. I'll be driving up from the Albany area, and if you want to join me for the ride, I've got two seats open. Send me a PM on here. Here's the facebook event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/1828510270502634/