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  1. What has launched a flurry of posts was a statement of using whatever shell and under 30 yards it doesn't matter, not to worry about patterning. (paraphrasing) To question it has been a flurry of assumptions and the epitome of too lazy to bother akin to those that don't bother to pattern goose loads or duck loads, good enough they say. Because of my learned opinion to the contrary I am accused of being a keyboard wannabe, not selling books, can't shoot, flinch whatever. None of which is remotely true. I will say what I have to say face to face, and not the slightest bit timid should one doubt otherwise. I won't type just to waste someone's time or without an honest reason. Ego's first, rational discussion cast aside. King of the forum pathology in my view. Those that follow or know me, know that I own, maintain multiple dedicated turkey setups, use to own more, and slam gobblers year after year. Out of 148 moments of truth, 7 birds opted not to ride home in the truck in 26 years. 4 of which Winchester determined I had boxes of underloaded factory shells that should not have passed QC. They sent me two replacement boxes that I'll never use for turkey's ever again. I had my guns patterned with that particular load, just not from that batch. Truthfully, It never occurred to me that something like that could slip thru production in a modernized facility they have. Over the years countless shells tested and dozens of chokes, The early years of tungsten I did not find a combination I was happy with, worth using over copper plated lead. Even while working for Hevi-shot, I still used copper plated lead in some guns as it was what they shot best. Eventually I found a choke/shell combos for each gun that gave me consistent results in pattern density and uniformity in a 3" circle. As a rep and participating in still target shoots, I got to work through many more setups of others and gained the opinion I have. Unlike some of the poor advice being permeated here. I'll recommend to pattern, sight in every firearm you own every time, and with any load/shell you ever plan to use. Never be too lazy, too cheap to end up not knowing what you are putting downrange and in respect to your quarry for a clean kill. This for me was what flared up as some are too arrogant to back down their bravado to realize they put forth bad advice, especially for those that are just learning. Wives tales perpetuated from decades ago. Given the way folks are in here, those too attached with their ego's being a big fish in a small pond, I'll be visiting less often if at all as it is no longer a place of down to earth conversation. The decorum isn't worth the BS or to have an opinion not in concert with those having nothing better to do...
  2. hevi shot TSS and other tungsten loads do not pattern well with the tighter chokes used for lead, copper/lead and blow out the pattern. I have not found that lead or copper/lead shells pattern well at all with what works for tungsten loads. roughly a 0.030 to 0.050 difference in choke diameter depending on make and model choke. "A shotgun that shoots a ft from poi at 20yds should be thrown in the creek." well my comment comes from guns I have seen shoot lead straight, and took a bit of work to get the right choke and shell to not only pattern well, but with similar POI
  3. gotta hand it to ya, your arrogance outpaces your intellect by a country mile, too bad you can't accept any criticism for bad advice, or that you are totally assuming and disparaging when someone doesn't agree with you ... BTW I shoot just fine, better than some, again another dumb ass assumption from you. I'll be glad to repeat to you in person, just say'n.
  4. If you set up a gun for tungsten, especially with a more open choke, it goes to shit with target loads or some of the turkey loads of yesteryear. I've seen the point of aim vary as much as a foot @20 between hevishot and lead or copper/lead shells on 870's , 835's, 500's, 11/87s and brownings bps and auto's. Also seen Point of aim change between different offerings of tungsten loads/shot/sizes The point being was to not blindly take it afield without confirming. Took a few posts to change his tune
  5. You might have wanted to lead with that last bit, turning to shit is something you started with the click bait statement. Can't say I appreciate your comment about my books, but I'll know from now on your opinion and willing to state something you have absolutely zero knowledge of. My accountant does, you certainly don't.
  6. In my view, not a good president or I would ever care for his politics, but really not the focus as politics is razor sharp on most everything anymore. He's a turkey hunter, served our country and governed (you can discuss that elsewhere I guess) and I'll wish him Godspeed on his recovery as he took one for the team on the job...
  7. 1-1/2 spurs goes a long way to putting a big total score
  8. there are more when adding weight, spurs and or beards. Tell me more on yours as I am cutting off interviews this summer and may entertain good stories that are below the current criteria. As it is it will be a large book
  9. Let's be frank. I have no problem repeating anything I wrote in person and will gladly repeat in front of you. My contact info is easily found on the web, if you need it, no problem. I make it my rule to only type what I would say in person. those that know me, will attest to that. My guess a transference of accusations based on your own actions and intentions. As I laid out why I honestly disagreed with you, you are now backtracking while trying to disparage my other activities. Please tell the peanut gallery how many books I have sold.... I'll wait for your informed response. It's more than a few 1000 so guess higher. Made money on it. I'll also wait to see you dig up where I have stated never a missing or crippled bird. I have a well-told blog post on two boxes of underloaded Winchesters (i have the letter from the factory) that were the source of several gut-wrenching experiences with losing a bird. I have had a couple of pulled shots and murdered a few trees in that effort. Again, pointless for you to accuse me of such denial, as it is out there of what misfortune's I have had. As you appear inclined to disparage me with utter bullshit, it is clear you don't read my blog otherwise you would have not written such a foolish remarks. I am well enough versed in the mechanics of patterning as part of the professional side job I had conducting seminars and rep'ing Hevi-Shot. I left Hevi-shot when they began pushing their 75+ yard campaign as I disagreed in principle as I conducted seminars on how far is too far and indifference to their marketing ... I have gone on by your assertions and what I opinion as bad advice you originally spouted. All the patterning experience you claim, you left out of your original statements so it would appear you are engaging in click bait. Dumb, but that 's what it appears to be. In your effort to insult me as a book author or as a liar you expose to the group your intentions to just stir the pot and be the elephant in the room. For you to be now expressing the virtue's of patterning says much about your original intentions. And yes I'll gladly repeat this to you in person at a time and place of convenience. "My original point was, if I had to substitute a high-brass #5 in any of my turkey guns, or any of my shotguns for that matter, it WOULD be a slam dunk shot on a turkey at 30 yards." Is still reckless and foolish advice in my opinion. So unless you patterned it to know you would be the actual "pompous ass"
  10. easy, they shot them beforehand and knew what their guns did rather than guess like you. you've heard of range day and patterning? Dumb argument, willfully ignorant and willing to argue from an indefensible and less than a noble position
  11. not at all, your assumptions are unfounded and opinion based on ignorance, not a factual observation. Actually, a wives tale If your point of aim is off then all bets are off. Far too many examples of stock patterns that couldn't kill a gobbler at 25 yards much less 30, not to mention pulled a foot to the right or left and just as much high or low. Rep'd hevi shot for years and their tubes and done plenty of pattern single shot contests to bear witness to your claim as untrue. It is irresponsible and lacking in ethics to promote using a turkey gun without knowing what it does at any distance with a given choke and shell. Nothing difficult about being tremendously dumb about it.
  12. Would have to honestly disagree as you wouldn't have a clue as to how it patterned. in many cases, different loads shift the point of aim and or blow out the patterns. This is true even in same model gun and barrel and even further same make and model choke. Seen the same model guns and with the same model, chokes shoot vastly different with the same shells. Micromachining tool marks are what is not 100% the same. Many cases results are similar, but how would you know? To knowingly go after them without confirming as to how it patterns or where your zero is, is much like buying a new gun, and boresighting it at 10 pm the night before opening day. Your quarry deserves more respect than that.
  13. If you have gobblers that meet the current criteria we can certainly do an interview for inclusion. I am including NWTF registered birds and non registered birds. They do need to be verifiable. Weight is the tough one as few are hung on certified scales or even accurate scales.
  14. The book project has been on hiatus for a long period while I started a tech company. It will be a large book over 400 pages. For those that I have contacted or attempted to contact at the beginning of the project: Your stories will be available to review as I complete them. For those I have attempted to schedule an interview, I will be imposing a deadline July 15th to put this edition on track for publishing. That said, should you change your mind I would be more than happy to include in future editions as I want this to be a positive endeavor and share your stories for readers to gleam and learn from. If you haven't been interviewed and would like to be included, please contact me, I would love to include as many as possible that met the original score criteria. The placings have shifted some, however I am still going by my original list as what was unique and noteworthy then still is of course. I am working toward a late 2019/ early 2020 book release. There will be future editions as records are broken and those I attempted to include, catch up with the project. The more hunters that come on board that I originally sought to interview, the better. Any record book gobblers bagged in NY during the 2018-2019 spring/fall seasons? or years prior? If your bird meets the following scoring criteria, I would love to talk to you about being included in the book! Note: Non registered birds- measurable attributes must be verified for consideration. Typical score greater than 75.000 (weight x1 + beard x 2 + L & R spur x 10) Non-Typical score greater than 105.000 (weight x1 + beard(s) x 2 + L & R spur x 10) Weight greater than 26.5 lbs. (verifiable certified weight) Beard Length greater than 12" (verifiable length) Spur Length greater than 1.625" (verifiable length) Please contact: mjoyner@joyneroutdoormedia.com http://www.nylimbhangers.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Empire-State-Limb-Hangers-139342609441424/