Meat Hunter

I believe QDMA has one of its Ideas not harvesting young bucks but ARs are in no way QDMA which is involves with lots of record keeping on deer and hunters and lots of food plot and habitat work. Yearling Buck Conservation is about one thing, allowing yearling bucks to get a year or two older before harvest by moving the majority of harvest from 1.5 year old bucks to 2.5 year old bucks. It is not a habitat, doe harvest, food plot or trophy program. Total deer numbers are still controlled by the number of DMP (antlerless) tags issued by the DEC. Deer numbers are controlled only through doe harvests.

Fudd most are on the DEC website- which ones do you want? Steve B good points here are the numbers of bucks of each age before and after ARs taken in my unit 3H from the DEC. Age 1.5 2.5 3.5 Total Pre AR 2005 722 428 80 1230 Post AR 2010 149 762 443 1360 Deer 1.5 is a juvenile, 12 years old human, 2.5 is an adult (18-21 human full size but not filled out) and 4.5 mature is the absolute peak (40 in Humans or is it 27?) Bubba- Great point, are people living on venison legally? Only 14% of the buck hunters get a buck in NY so most are not getting meat from bucks. You have to keep your portions small; the first deer I cut up the portions are really small as we get in to the season they get bigger. My first deer last year was 154 lbs so that was a good start. Little deer taste better (they actually don’t) How can you kill three bucks, LEGALLY? It is two bucks only and the AR plan does not call for changing that. Where do you hunt? County and WMU and where do you live? Second you’re the 20% strong opposition if you’re in the proposed units. There are also 8% that are somewhat opposed. Scientists do not count them because once they see bigger bucks they will move to the support side. It sounds like whatever you hear now will not change your mind. Funny thought one club that was total against AR in the beginning are totally for them now. I can not believe you guys have been talking about this for 110 pages… From now on everyone should post the county they hunt in and the WMU. And if they live in another place.

PA program was and is a get rid of 1/2 the deer program. Look at the doe harvest on their website--almost 3 does for every buck going back for a couple + years. When you kill the does they can not reproduce bucks or does. Less DEER They started the AR program to improve the buck hunting so that hunter would not be as pissed about so many less deer.

Where to start…I am a meat hunter- 99% of the meat I eat is venison. Before the AR plan, for 16 years, I harvested a spike buck that averaged 80 dressed. Since the AR plan our average buck is 133 lbs. That is a lot more meat. I have seen a lot more scraps, rubs and some really cool grunting and doe chasing. Now keep in mind that 3 points only works in our area and most of the rest of NY would need a higher standard to protect yearling bucks. I am not sure where the folks are from on this site but if you were in Sullivan and Ulster County and went to the Federation meetings you would see that ARs are what the local sportsmen want. The DEC surveys show that 67% of the hunters who go afield want to expand ARs. In the Areas that have ARs the majority want to keep them. If you were in Sullivan and Ulster Counties and saw the DEC presentations on the issue, you would see that the DEC numbers show they work, buck harvest is 85% adult males, that is 2.5 years and older. ARs are working to protect yearling bucks—only 14% of the harvest is yearling bucks now in the AR area. That is down 80%. And we have harvested the biggest bucks since the 1920s. The harvest data coming from DEC in the units where ARs are in effect ends the debate about whether or not they work; it is now proven to work in NY. The only thing left to discuss right now is how people feel about them (ARs). The DEC Surveys have proven that hunter support adopting and continuing the program The bottom line is every hunter wants to see the biggest buck possible and AR make that possible. Now let’s look at who supports the DEC AR expansion plan: 6 Senators, 7 Assembly Members, Organized sportsmen: Sullivan County Federation of Sportsmen 110 Clubs Ulster County Federation of Sportsmen 35 clubs Greene County Federation of Sportsmen Schoharie County Conservation Association Duchess County Federation of Sportsmen QDMA- local, statewide and nation support New York State Whitetail Management Coalition, Inc. Local Community Support: Sullivan County Legislature, Greene County Legislatures, Sullivan County Farm Bureau, Ulster County Legislature, Ulster County Farm Bureau, Schoharie County Board of Supervisors, Delaware County Chamber of Commerce, Delaware County Farm Bureau, Delaware County Economic Development, Delaware County Board of Supervisors, Delaware County Legislature, Schoharie County Farm Bureau Surveys DEC Survey March 2009 67.1% Support Antler Restrictions in the proposed units 19.9% oppose. This Represents a super majority, not just a majority and meets the DEC's arbitrary numbers for implementing Antler Restrictions in new areas. Cornell HDRU 2007 – 63% support yearling buck protection and 15% against them in the proposed area and 59% said it would improve hunting satisfaction. NYSCC Survey found 81% for Antler Restrictions in the 8 proposed units and 61% statewide for Antler Restrictions. New York Bowhunters Survey 2010 found 65% of their members in favor of antler restrictions. Tiger Survey found 75% for new buck management and 65% not happy with NYS deer management. Public Meetings Surveys all found over 90% support for Antler Restrictions from Delaware, Sullivan Ulster and Schoharie Counties. Delaware Department of Economic Development Survey found 90.7% for it and 9.3 against Antler Restrictions. ARs are what the local folks want, they have overwhelming support and they work. If you are not in the areas proposed perhaps you should apply the concept of home rule and let those folks have the say as to what happens in their back yards. I am surprised that there appear to be several vocal opponents on this site. Other sites I visit are strongly in support of ARs

Where to start…I am a meat hunter- 99% of the meat I eat is venison. Before the AR plan, for 16 years, I harvested a spike buck that averaged 80 dressed. Since the AR plan our average buck is 133 lbs. That is a lot more meat. I have seen a lot more scraps, rubs and some really cool grunting and doe chasing. Now keep in mind that 3 points only works in our area and most of the rest of NY would need a higher standard to protect yearling bucks. I am not sure where the folks are from on this site but if you were in Sullivan and Ulster County and went to the Federation meetings you would see that ARs are what the local sportsmen want. The DEC surveys show that 67% of the hunters who go afield want to expand ARs. In the Areas that have ARs the majority want to keep them. If you were in Sullivan and Ulster Counties and saw the DEC presentations on the issue, you would see that the DEC numbers show they work, buck harvest is 85% adult males, that is 2.5 years and older. ARs are working to protect yearling bucks—only 14% of the harvest is yearling bucks now in the AR area. That is down 80%. And we have harvested the biggest bucks since the 1920s. The harvest data coming from DEC in the units where ARs are in effect ends the debate about whether or not they work; it is now proven to work in NY. The only thing left to discuss right now is how people feel about them (ARs). The DEC Surveys have proven that hunter support adopting and continuing the program The bottom line is every hunter wants to see the biggest buck possible and AR make that possible. Now let’s look at who supports the DEC AR expansion plan: 6 Senators, 7 Assembly Members, Organized sportsmen: Sullivan County Federation of Sportsmen 110 Clubs Ulster County Federation of Sportsmen 35 clubs Greene County Federation of Sportsmen Schoharie County Conservation Association Duchess County Federation of Sportsmen QDMA- local, statewide and nation support New York State Whitetail Management Coalition, Inc. Local Community Support: Sullivan County Legislature, Greene County Legislatures, Sullivan County Farm Bureau, Ulster County Legislature, Ulster County Farm Bureau, Schoharie County Board of Supervisors, Delaware County Chamber of Commerce, Delaware County Farm Bureau, Delaware County Economic Development, Delaware County Board of Supervisors, Delaware County Legislature, Schoharie County Farm Bureau Surveys DEC Survey March 2009 67.1% Support Antler Restrictions in the proposed units 19.9% oppose. This Represents a super majority, not just a majority and meets the DEC's arbitrary numbers for implementing Antler Restrictions in new areas. Cornell HDRU 2007 – 63% support yearling buck protection and 15% against them in the proposed area and 59% said it would improve hunting satisfaction. NYSCC Survey found 81% for Antler Restrictions in the 8 proposed units and 61% statewide for Antler Restrictions. New York Bowhunters Survey 2010 found 65% of their members in favor of antler restrictions. Tiger Survey found 75% for new buck management and 65% not happy with NYS deer management. Public Meetings Surveys all found over 90% support for Antler Restrictions from Delaware, Sullivan Ulster and Schoharie Counties. Delaware Department of Economic Development Survey found 90.7% for it and 9.3 against Antler Restrictions. ARs are what the local folks want, they have overwhelming support and they work. If you are not in the areas proposed perhaps you should apply the concept of home rule and let those folks have the say as to what happens in their back yards. I am surprised that there appear to be several vocal opponents on this site. Other sites I visit are strongly in support of ARs