Deerslayer

The new paper they are using sucks, I'm thinking fine point sharpie will work best. You can hardly write on the damn paper with a regular pen.

It means you can fish salt water, I got my license the other day and the walmart guy helping me said he was automatically adding my marine registry, it's free. (anyone who doesn't know, you are supposed to do the registry thing to fish coastal salt water. He also put my start date for the (freshwater) fishing as Oct 1 as I am still covered by last years license till then.

It is not illegal to be in the woods with your gun/bow before or after legal hunting hours. It is illegal to "shoot" after/before legal hunting hours. Don't know about you but on opening day and most following weekend days I am in my stand a clear hour before legal shooting light, this is to take advantage of other hunters entering the woods after light and pushing deer. Also it is pretty common (to anyone who doesn't want to educate deer where the stand or blind is) to stay after dark until that deer that was out of range or didn't provide a clean shot to wander off. The deer sees you exit the stand/blind.... you will never see that deer there again.

Actually you could get 9..... breakdown - 2 doe tags of your own, 2 given to you by other hunters, 2 MORE doe tags if applying in Nov. for western areas, example - 8N, Your regular season tag, and your 2 bow/muzzy tags. This is assuming you got all the doe tags applied for.

LOL!!!!!!! Only from ground level right?

Listen to these shots that couldn't possibly ricochet from the ground, lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMqJPdjLlQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QokV7HzJhG4 Yeah ok..... bullets won't ricochet from the ground

Nothing to do with the topic? I'm calling you out to explain a few things YOU stated about THIS topic. If you throw a rock straight down into a pond, and I mean straight down, 90 degrees what happens? It will sink right? If you throw a rock parallel with the surface of the pond what will happen? It will skip. Skip = ricochet. Same principal. So spelling this out for you, I'm saying if shooting from the ground and your bullet skims the top of a rock it is going to ricochet. If you shoot down onto the top of a rock it is going to most likely pancake. You haven't asked me any questions, other than how am I qualified as an engineer to know about bullets ricocheting. My question stands - would you raise and shoot the buck that ran left, then right and stopped for 4 seconds? If you really believe a bullet has nothing to ricochet off when shot from the ground, yeah...... ok

Bubba should read his own signature on bottom of his posts and maybe try following it. Just sayin'

Understood, I agree, it is safer to be elevated. Not my 'favorite' part of hunting season either, I much prefer sitting out on my own than driving, but toward the back end of the season it's the best way to get them on their feet and moving, and it's been very effective. I'm so much more wiped out after a day of that! Most of the time I'm doing it to get other guys that haven't been successful a deer. or even ...... gasp....... multiple deer..... LOL sorry I had to throw in a jab at bubba since he refuses to answer most of the actual questions I asked him after giving his opinion on how we all should probably hunt.

ummmm not that kind of engineer bubba....... I'm an "Engineer" as in designing the construction of power plants, etc , wow.... where did this guy come from???????? You still haven't answered my question about "snap shooting" the buck that ran to you.

Wrong again! Sorry but a bullet will ricochet faster and further if it hits a stone when shot from the ground than it would from up high down to the ground.

And, being an engineer, it is the opposite of what you say here, a bullet shot from above will likely pancake and drop to the ground from above, and ricochet from a same plane shot below. Same principle as a stone skipping on water.

So by your reasoning here, if you had a buck run right to you, change direction a bit and instead of running to the left of you it went to the right, then it stopped when it saw you at 20 yards..... you know you only have about 4 seconds to pull up and shoot before he bolts.... you wouldn't take the shot???

Why? The furthest shot he had was probably 25-30 yards, at best, how is that unsafe? you keep saying it's unsafe but not telling me how? every deer he shot was right in front of him, in clear view in open hardwoods. I think you just disagree with him shooting multiple deer, not the safety aspect. Well if you are against shooting multiple deer, then don't shoot multiple deer. Don't preach to everyone how they should hunt like you or not hunt at all. It's free and legal for this guy to do what he said.

how is it not relevant? you stated that the danger here was "a ricocheting bullet". Doesn't matter what WNY said. I think you are stumped because there IS no answer for my question, a bullet could just as easily ricochet from YOUR gun when you shot at a buck standing still 10 yards away and KILL SOMEONE as from that video guys gun. You are wrong there and just don't want to say it.

I concur. This hunter in the video, although a bit juvenile & not too smart for posting it, did nothing unsafe. If you don't know what's going on in the open damn woods like he was in at the range he had those deer, you need to find another hobby.

Jesus, this is like arguing with my wife, can you or can't you answer the question I asked you?

I'm sure it has happened, and that story there sounds like pure 100% stupidity. Why would the watchers be that close together? Sounds like they had no clue to me. EVERYTHING has happened in life at one point or another, you name the stupid action, guarantee someone has done it. But I can guarantee it doesn't happen in my hunting group. There are safe ways of doing things and there are dangerous ways of doing things. I suppose it depends on the individual. I don't take shots in the dark so to speak. So the story you are telling me is that the bullet ricocheted after passing through the deer? Is that what you mean by a backdrop of ground? My question in the other posts was how would shooting at a running deer cause a bullet to ricochet differently than a still deer? Does everyone tell the deer to freeze while they walk behind it to check under the leaves for hidden rocks that might there? Just being the devils advocate here.

You did not answer the WHOLE question here, again, how does a bullet ricochet differently when it comes right after another shot, or if it's the only shot. That is what you said," ever heard of ricochet"

Well no one said he was smart for posting the video, different topic altogether and I agree with you there, ARA's don't need that ammo against us, but what if there is a guy you don't see in a tree stand at the edge of the field you are "shooting into the air at" Most grouse and pheasants I've shot at were not straight up shots. What hunters wear is regardless, I know more people who wear NO orange no matter what they are hunting, however I wouldn't feel so comfortable to do that on state woods.

ok that's different from pheasant or grouse hunting how????? do we not shoot quickly on the flush? please explain. First off, we don't PUT people where there is a danger of being shot by a watcher, OR a driver, we didn't start doing this yesterday. You still didn't explain to me how a bullet ricochets differently from a moving or multiple targets than a standing still target. Please answer the question I asked.

And yes, when my group does drives, We know where everyone is. watchers and drivers. How is driving the deer under my conditions as I've explained more dangerous than hunting the southern zone state woods on opening day???? Do those hunters KNOW where everyone is??? I would wear a hat with horns with my guys and feel perfectly safe!

So a bullet shot at a standing animal could never ricochet but a shot that came right after another shot at a running deer could??? Please explain.

I agree with you that you are responsible for your target and beyond, where did you see this fellow take an unsafe shot??? they were all straight down. Some people hunt different than others. 99 out of 100 hunting accidents resulted from the hunter NOT identifying his target and shooting at "the bush that moved" I can never comprehend how anyone is dumb enough to do THAT. How often is it that you read about someone being shot from a stray bullet coming out of a drive? I have been hunting 31 years and never have seen or heard of that happening, not even a near miss from anyone I know. Can't speak for all but when we do drives we are on private, posted land but still exercise every bit of safety first regardless. This guy also could have voiced a better attitude about it but bottom line is, He did nothing unsafe, he did nothing illegal, he did nothing unethical, (if you are a meat hunter).Training you got being a law enforcement officer is great but it doesn't mean anything here, if you are a licensed hunter in NYS you got the same safety training we all did. Except we don't shoot at people, at least, haven't shot at anyone yet, never know, could be the potential victim of a home invasion at anytime the way this world is decaying which most likely wouldn't work out well for the invader, as my front door he breaks into was locked for his protection, not mine. Question, how is shooting at running deer ANY different than pheasant hunting? or grouse hunting? are these animals not shot when they flush? How could the hunter have possibly checked beyond the grouse or pheasant to ensure no hunter was up on the hill behind it? (This question is for ALL of you that think so badly of running shots)