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I don't think I ever said I didn't have doe tags that year.

Also for the record PA hunters voiced the same concern as some of you.... their total harvest numbers have stayed pretty much the same pre and post AR.... and according to most PA hunters.. they are seeing better bucks than ever before. You all know I am anti- Mandated AR and pro voluntary and education.... but I can't take all of the drama over a slight chance at them passing a 3 pt min. Good god man.

I could use the same argument.. come on. The point is IF it passes it is not the end of hunting as we all know it and enjoy it. That is all I am trying to voice.

Dude NO

Seriously..... Parishville Norfolk Saranac Keene Stockholm Massena Brasher Louisville Blue Mountain Little Joe Indian Lima Cohocton Springwater Rush Raymondville Pierpont constable knapp station Norwood Colton to name a few... there are more I know I am forgetting

I disagree a huge hit. A inconvenience yes, legislation we do not need, YES. More time in the woods, YES Slow for a few years, yes. But not a hug hit.

Yes in 2010. My choice however... I was hunting a true 150 inch on my farm and let many many nice 100 inch and one 120 inch buck walk that year. Even this year, yes I have seen 9 bucks, but I am not going to shoot a 1.5 year old, and not a 2.5 But the doe patrol has been slow. Today finally after 14 hunts I was able to see a doe in range, draw on her, but I second guessed my yardage, hesitated a second and she was out of the lane.

I agree with you Tee and most of the other comments... but my point is it is not the end of the world if (and I doubt it will) pass for a 3 pt AR. But some people are acting like it is the end of the world.

Says the guy who has had tag soup... even in the last 7 years.

Here comes the sky it is falling.... I don't see bucks every sit, I don't even see deer every sit. I grew up in the Adirondacks hunting when you saw a deer track you were excited. I hunted 14 times, min 3 hours a sit.... 9 bucks. Simple logic would tell you guys were the hunting is so bad, that if you don't shoot the little guys in a few years your hunting will be better.

I know all about the state and the hunting.... You are in Wayne yes? Certainly just as good hunting there if not better than here.

I got to laugh at you guys who do feel if AR's were to pass it is dooms day, and if you don't get a doe tag even worse. If it is 3 points a side.... do you really think you are going to eat tag soup every year? The first year or 2 would be the toughest.... I agree. But the sky isn't going to fall. Stop the panic. Just this year alone for me, I have seen 9 bucks, all but 2 I could have shot with a 3 pt min, and only 2 were 2.5 years old so 7 of the 9 were 1.5, 5 of the 7 1.5 year olds I could have still shot. That being said I prefer Vol AR, but laugh at seasoned hunters who shoot baby bucks.... except the young, old, or first timers.... crips let em walk.

Oh, I know just like the Forums

I read the survey I trust Cornell more than the state. I again don't think it was perfect nor will be the outcome of the new management plan. Also I would like to add that even if say 60/40 are in favor of say 1 buck per year period in the survey, I doubt it will be automatic change for 2015. I am sure they will have public outreach events where you can voice your opinion. Would I like to have a say in the survey you betcha. I just don't see why it is getting people so fired up.

If you got his name I would contact his supervisor... that's just me though.

I just put the force recons out yesterday, one on a scrape and the other on some Brassicas. I like them so far, well built, easy interface. I would also like to try a Covert at some point. With these 2 cams, I now no longer will run Reg flash. I am thinking about the Covert that sends the pic, for some hard to reach don't want to stink up the place areas of the farm.

I am willing to bet whoever to you this Belo read the waterfowl regs.....

It is not illegal to hunt over fresh cut corn. In fact it is perfectly legal to hunt over a brush-hogged corn field. The later surprised me, so I asked ECO Stansfield and he confirmed it is legal. Should I be so shocked at so much mis-information on a forum

I have never really had any luck with scents.... I have used buck bombs doe estrus, and tinks before with no dice.

I am curious for those who got their panties in a bunch in this thread... have any of you actually tried the opposing rest or just going off on speculation? Like I said I went from a WB to a Fuse Drop Away that has containment. I liked the WB, but with the new drop aways you get the benefits of a clean arrow release and a WB.

Thanks guys. I thought about Gander as well, but if I remember right they have a limited selection. My list of things I need. 4 Duke # 2 Coil Springs HD disposable stakes HD Disp Stake Driver Wood dirt sifter Powder Antifreeze Pan covers Bait Yote urine water proof long gloves chain gambrel tail stripper stretchers # 4 and # 6's dye wax I didn't get to the clerk for my license yet, and the more I think about it it maybe easier to order and wait then drive all over WNY only to find they don't have all I need. F-150 to you think Hess has this stuff??? It has been 25 years since I trapped, as a teen I had coon, muskrats, and beaver lines.... and did pretty good. oh, I also need to order some trap tags, or buy the write on kind.

Steve there is a huge difference in an animal from 1.5 to 3.5 huge. A 1.5 year old buck is the easiest deer to harvest. The whole meat hunters thing.... I get it, but I laugh when I hear people complain about the $98 spent on a tag and being told what to harvest. If it is about meat take that 98 and buy beef on sale. Do fisherman complain when they have to release a smaller fish??? If it is about meat, I would think you would want to have a bigger buck for more meat. AR's are NOT perfect no one here has every said they were perfect from all the threads I have read. They are work in PA, PA hunters are seeing and harvesting better bucks, both better antler and more meat. There harvest numbers are still high, and yes 1.5 year olds still get taken due to the fact that AR's do not protect 100% of all 1.5 year olds. Again, my stance has been clear in many threads, I don't think they would be good as a statewide mandatory law. The state differs in habitat and herd density too much. I would like to see Voluntary AR's.

3.5, not 4.5 if so his rear and chest would be equal and you would have a bit of sag on the back and belly. score around 96 inches

Here is the email: The NYS Department of Environmental Conservation has issued the following press release: Statewide Deer Hunter Survey Underway Survey Will Assess Hunters' Opinions on Deer Harvest OpportunitiesUnder Governor Cuomo's NY Open for Hunting and Fishing, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Joe Martens today announced that a statewide deer hunter survey is underway in an effort to provide improved deer hunting experiences across the state. All who receive the survey are encouraged to take the time to complete and return it as soon as possible. The survey is being conducted for DEC by the Human Dimensions Research Unit at Cornell University. "I encourage hunters and other deer management stakeholders to support our efforts to address yearling buck harvest strategies through a systematic and balanced process," Commissioner Martens said. "A high response rate to the survey will help ensure that the study findings are representative of all deer hunters across New York State." During the development of the 2012-2016 deer management plan for New York, some hunters expressed strong interest in modifying hunting rules/regulations to allow more bucks to live to older ages and develop heavier bodies with larger antlers. As a result of that input, one of the objectives in DEC's current deer management plan is to "Encourage various strategies to reduce harvest of young (1.5 year old) bucks in accordance with hunter desires." In addition to hunters voluntarily deciding not to shoot young bucks, managers could enact a variety of rules/regulations to reduce harvest of young bucks, all of which involve tradeoffs for hunters. For example, depending on the action taken to reduce harvest of young bucks, hunters may have to give up some freedom to shoot a buck of any age or size, or give up some opportunity to hunt bucks. DEC needs current information on hunters' views to understand how different buck harvest strategies may affect hunter satisfactions. Specifically, DEC needs to understand hunter's views on the importance of reducing harvest of young bucks relative to the associated loss of choice or loss of opportunity. This fall, DEC is sponsoring a statewide survey of hunters to provide that information. In mid-October, Cornell University staff will mail questionnaires to a statewide random sample of 7,000 big game license holders with an invitation to participate in the survey. By gathering information on the relative importance hunters place on different types of deer hunting and harvest opportunities, the survey will help wildlife managers identify which buck management strategy best balances hunter opinions in various regions of the state. DEC encourages all hunters who receive a questionnaire to complete and return it promptly. DEC requests to hear from every hunter in the sample, regardless of whether they went afield or took a deer last year. To maintain scientific integrity and preserve the random sampling survey design, DEC will not accept requests to participate in the survey. Results of the survey will be used during 2014 to help evaluate a variety of buck harvest strategies through a "structured decision-making process". The basic elements of this approach were discussed in the 2012-13 and 2013-14 Hunting and Trapping guides, and are discussed further at Buck Harvest Management on the DEC website. DEC staff will consider survey results along with deer population management needs across various regions of the state as a basis for possible regulation changes for fall 2015.

The state is having Cornell send out 7,000 questionnaires to hunters in regards to the management program. Change, IF any would be for the 2015 season. I received this info in an email.