mike rossi

I do not know if it is in the regs,but I am not sure if it has to be to create a violation because there is the legal concept of "prima facie' evidence, which means in the most general terms that if it looks like you are hunting - you are assumed to be ... Personally, I carry my gun into the field in a case and out of the field in a case, but to each his own...

@ post # 15 The MBTA laws certainly are "part of this discussion" when the violation involves migratory birds... The penalty would be a stiffer dual violation of both laws...

And who speaks to the DEC for us, the stakeholders? Did I hear the NYSCC and the CFAB and the FWMB? And how does one get on the CFAB & FWMB - they are appointed by politicians and do not need to have any formal education in conservation. Before the trained DEC staff is blamed for outrageous policies, consider the recommendations and outright demands of these advisory boards...

Where is it supposed to go Geno? Eveyone knows what pursue, worry, and harrass means... If the definition of hunting was doing the same but only while possessing weopons, it would say just that, but it does not.

As long as they are not bucks with more than three points your ok....

Hiking which is restricted to designated trails isnt an impact on wildlife, although it does impact hunting when safety zones are imposed or hunting is banned to accomadate the public majority... Regarding nature watchers: a true nature watcher needs to be stealthy like a hunter and ussually watches nature at a distance with binoculors, commonly from observation blinds or good vantage points ( like a hill top). This is a minimal impact that doesnt really worry or harrass wildlife... Scouting, now thats a tough one...

It doesnt matter if you have a weapon.... You and your pets are not supposed to disturb wildlife in any way except during an open hunting season or open dog training season ... There has been some discussion (unverified) about an exception made for bird watchers using calls. There also is some complicated exceptions for nuisance wildlife. There also an exception for unproteded species such as red squirrels, porcupines, woodchuck, monk parakeet, starling, and english sparrow. However, some authorities say you cannot trap unprotected birds in NY because the law prohibiting trapping birds does not indicate an exception ... You cant chase any wildlife with a boat , quad, etc.. either. If you harrass migratory species you will also violate the Lacy Act (dual violation) and other federal law(s).

Under the leadership we have had for many, many decades.... With all the talk about lack of funds... And the commotion every time one governor or the other tries to raid federal funds - despite there is "Assent Legislation" which prevents that from ever happening... While we proclaim that we are conservationists.... Some of us voluntarily buying NY habitat & access stamps - which would be used as match funds to recieve federal grants.... While the complaints about hunter harrassment/interference grow... While we complain about NO PLACE TO HUNT... The following is what we get under the Conservation Fund Advisory Board, the NY State Fish and Wildlife Board, and the NYSCC... And the Friends of Montezuma Wetland Complex................................... A newly constructed bridge and parking lot offers improved access for recreational enthusiasts to explore Howland's Island, 3,500 acres of public land within the Northern Montezuma Wildlife Management Area. The 100-foot-long wooden bridge is elevated over Seneca River to avoid flooding problems and offer passage for small boats on the 10-mile voyage around Howland's Island. A convenient car-top boat launch is located nearby. A new parking lot less than a mile beyond the bridge is the entry point to trails for hiking, birding, hunting and more. Visitors can access the site via Carncross Road off Savannah-Spring Lake Road in Savannah, NY. For more information on Howland's Island, explore DEC's Northern Montezuma(http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/31112.html) and Friends of the Montezuma Wetland Complex(http://friendsofmontezuma.org/howland.html) webpages.

If Tonawanda is free roam, personally I would just move rather than make it a confrontation. Tip: Despite all the hype about them, the best thing about spinner decoys is that you can be fairly sure that other hunters know your there! IMO if someone knows I am there and doesnt care, its not worth it...

Greetings from Whispering Pines Hideaway Whispering Pines Hideaway would like to reach out to youngsters between the ages of 12 and 17 from single parent households who would like to experience pheasant hunting with one of our members or regular hunters. We need names of youngsters who would be interested as well as names of our members and friends who would be willing to take one youngster at a time pheasant hunting. We, Whispering Pines, will add two birds to the adult hunters allotment. It would work something like this. If a member was willing to take a youngster hunting and asked for six birds from his annual allotment, Whispering Pines would add two birds. We will do this for up to 25 youngsters this year. We hope that we can provide a safe and enjoyable hunting experience to a youngster that might not otherwise have the chance for this kind of experience. I realize it is late notice: We have a Pheasant Tower Shoot tomorrow, Saturday, 10:00AM. I have a couple of positions open if anyone is interested. Call me for the details if interested. 315.946.6170 Charlie

I wonder if their supervisers would authorize them to get out in field & stream unless there was a felony in progress. Same for entering private land... That differs from the duties of conservation officers and forest rangers ...

You dont need a fur trapping license or a nuisance wildlife trapping license to trap animals causing damage to your property or creating a nuisance where you live. If somebody does this for a fee, he needs a nuisance license. The permit is not the same as either of the above licenses. If it was an unprotected species like a woodchuck, red squirrell, or porcupine, the permit is not needed. Raccoons are partially protected, that is they can be taken, but only during established seasons. I had a permit issued when I was doing someone a favor, but when I requested a permit to take care of animals at my residence I was told to go ahead without the permit... So you may or may not need this permit, it is best to call and find how to be in compliance with the regulations. If you have a fur trapping license and the problem is during the trapping season, you are trapping under the fur trapping regs, a possible issue is the restriction against setting a trap within 100 feet of a house other than your own without permission. I am not aware of any exceptions for cage traps to this reg.. Considering pets and the perception of children getting caught or bitten by a trapped animal, go with the cage, even set it INSIDE your garage. As far as burying the carcass, what is a carcass? Trappers refer to it as the animal with the pelt removed but trappers didnt craft the law. Read the regs, what does it sound like? As I said the actual permits have a list of conditions of the permit with check boxes - one of them stipulates "bury carcasses". The permit I was issued did not have this box checked... The handling of beaver carcasses is more restricted after a certain date and I have no idea why... Curiously, solid waste can also be put in the trash or to the dump, so why specify bury? Maybe it is an oversight, but it only takes two seconds to dig a hole....

I dont know how that is treated. Probably one of those things nobody wants to touch - unless they dont like you...

Thats considered illegal dumping of solid waste...

Why not just call and ask for a permit and be legal? You got a better chance of getting caught then you do the DEC thinking you just want to take a pelt out of season without a license because hey, everybody likes coons in thier buildings you know.... If you called the right dec branch, you would already have had the permit by now. Call the regional wildlife biologist for your area....

I think this wave helps the public image of hunting and makes it attractive to people who otherwise would NEVER have considered hunting, but I will have to take your word about the wieght of its impact. Most people who get into shooting eventually start asking questions or seek information about hunting... The answers they recieve and the information they consume at that point is critical, because it dictates whether an interest in hunting will be fostered or if they will be turned off to the idea.

Cheap labor is an imense resource to a farmer... But charging for hunting or accepting labor in exchange for access does two things: 1) creates a labor liability 2) creates a hunting liability that a landowner is otherwise exempt from if the hunting is free of charge. Thus creating a employee- employer relation program for hunting access is (another ) foolish idea. BTW: although hunting is a fairly safe activity, agricultural labor is one of thee most dangerous occupations... Scrap that idea... Why would a deer hunter obsess over private land anyway? I seek out private land for other game, but I wouldnt waste my time for deer or turkey. Besides, there is not any relationship between getting new recruits and access... A percentage of former hunters may have quit because they lost convenient and familiar hunting land; but this has no bearing on recruiting youth and other novices. Anyone who quit because they lost a farm isnt very committed and also will not be persistent and enthusastic enough to turn his teen away from athletics and electronics... Hunting has never been for everyone. The front door to hunting should be target shooting. A percentage of target shooters eventually seek greater challenges after becoming proficient and turn toward hunting.

Pelting or eating the animal might not be allowed. The permit to take destructive wildlife might specify the carcasses are buried - it is up to the person who issues you the permit. In the case of beavers, the permit will stipulate that beavers taken after May 15 must be buried. If you want to look up the pertinent law it is: Environmental Conservation Law 11-0521 Another issue you may encounter which nobody really gives you a straight answer about is municipal ordinances, however it seems other than weapon discharge, trapping ordinances are preempted by state law. Not sure about the 100 foot trap set reg if your nieghbor thinks the coons are a wonderful addition to your property and wont "give you permission". I would check with the DEC...

Guess that balances out the license sales between the PA hunters who buy NY licenses to hunt sundays and the NY hunters who buy PA licenses to hunt doves... .

Small game, whats that?

Nah. He needs to call the dec and tell them he has a nuisance animal he wants to trap and they will either issue him a free permit or tell him just go ahead. But he cant let it go unless he owns land...

Did you know you can only release or relocate wildlife on land you own?

You are dealing with a wealthy and politically connected crowd when you take on pilots of any kind... Correct the FAA laws do not address the problem. However there are many other violations involved, including poaching violations. Your video camera is your best tool to combat this. If one branch of law enforcement is not interested, try another. As this illegal activity grows so will video documentation. At some point the authorities will be forced to enforce the pertinent laws. And there are clearly pertinent laws...

OK, so whats the officers name, I will float a balloon over his driveway and car...

Doc, I got a few comments on what you said here... What Joe is talking about is that at some point wildlife field studies began to be conducted like laboratory experiments: variables reduced by comparing a control population to an experimental population. This accelerated knowledge and made conclusions more reliable. Some of the info derived from those early descriptive studies is still valid, but just like in any form of science some is outdated. Much of it is the legs which todays research stands on - one example is vital rates, there are other examples. They did a lot of good work in those days! I want to refer you to the 2012 2013 NY Hunting & Trapping Official Guide to Laws and Regulations; Page 18, second paragraph, second sentence. Why does Jeremy Hurst even reference doe to buck ratios? I have a few guesses, but I really do not know why. I dont even hunt deer. I think some of you hardcore deer hunters should contact Hurst and ask him about the significance of this. Another thing, I have said time and time again, that the public majority does NOT pay for wildlife research - including non game wildlife research. Yes the public majority does pay into the DEC, however the scope of the DEC is much wider than just hunting or even wildlife. The sources of research funds are varied and some research is done by conservation organizations. FYI: The NYSCC is NOT a conservation organization. Examples of conservation organizations are: The Audobon Society; The Nature Conservancy: The National Wildlife Federation and hundreds more... There is a lot of research going on right now and lots of grants availble for research, habitat and the related. I know this sounds foriegn, I challenge you to ask those you respect why this is not well known... Ask the outdoor writers, the NRA, the USSA, the SCI, the NYSCC, the NY Fish and Wildlife Board, the NY Conservation Fund Advisory Board... You know - the "common sense" crowd...