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Now they can ride along the canal, where we can't hunt any longer. Maybe the season' should be 3 weeks long & kill every thing that's brown. Then those 3 day a year hunters will not miss any football.

Fine by me toss in ML too! OMG but they'll shoot al the big bucks! LOL Nah really, I've proposed every date from Sept to Feb. to the DEC [at their asking for how to improve the seasons]. AND every time they don't do squat. Because it will interfere with the coyote hunters, small game hunters, bow hunters, snow mobilers,Xcountry skiers, dog sled races, hikers, dog walkers on and on and on.

;D AND it's not legal

No ego goals here just pure fact~ Now that the crossBOW is legal in NY, maybe the forum admins will add it to the season openers. 248 days left until SZ Bow Season (Oct 15)! 229 days left until NZ Bow Season (Sep 26)! 283 days left until SZ Regular & crossBow Season (Nov 19)! 255 days left until NZ Regular & crossBow Season (Oct 22)!

Besides crossBOWS are legal in NY. The deer does not care how fast the arrow or bullet is going, how much it weighs. You have no argument, you lost, because, crossBOWS are legal in NY.

I'll tell ya what arrowflinger, you're not even in my class when it comes to shooting or reloading. I know more about velocity,pressures,fps,weight and force than most people learn in a liftime. You're nothing but a cheerleader jumping up and down singing the same song for the last 21 years. People on here know who I am and yet you sit hidden. Why don't ya toss out who you are and your expertise and then we'll all see apples to oranges. Better yet we'll meet for a public debate no notes allowed. You talk about which sheds velocity faster, who cares, dead is dead. That's what I don't like about forums, is all the experts who can copy and paste like a talking head. And yes I am an expert in my field~ Bottom line is: crossBOWS are legal in NY~ and arguing/debating with you is a waste of our time , because, crossBOWS are legal in NY~

Arrow, I wanted to make sure you didn't miss this post since you didn't comment on it. Was this the survey you were refering to? Which is why I say, we need to hold the DEC to the fire. They waste money doing survey's and then do not follow there own science.

Want to bet on that? Newton didn't know squat about firearms or cartridge's. I can make a lighter bullet the same velocity as a heavier one. The bottom line is: if it has a string and limbs it's a BOW.

Ah I so bummed, I'm at work as well. :'( Even worse was I just read that my ML rifles are only capable of shooting 50 yards tops. :-X And here I spent all that association's money on 100 and 200 yard targets. Maybe I can sell them to the handcannon and centerfire guys~

Any time animals are concentrated the chances of disease transmission are increased, regardless of the disease or virus in question. Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a whole other deal. Infectious agents of CWD are neither bacteria nor viruses, but are hypothesized to be prions. Prions are infectious proteins without associated nucleic acids. Research has shown that CWD is very contagious, so deer feeding at a concetrated food source WILL become infected.

Picture this, The guy who can't use a regular bow grabs his crossbow and heads out.as usual~ He's late~in a hurry~still eating his McMuffin with one good hand his bow in the other. Huffing and puffing he places his foot in the stir-up and as his belly rolls over the butt stock he gives a mighty tug. Just about that time his back gives out, the one he threw out at work 20 years earlier as he was sneaking in the side door of work after his noon time liquid lunch. (But we all know it was the fall from his tree stand that caused it) Now, here he is in all his glory bent over his bow, can't stand up & can't let go of the string. He slips his foot out figuring he can ease up on he tension...WHAM the bow comes up smacking him between the eyes. As he's lying on the ground, wallering around~ his cell phone rings some annoying ring tone so loud it can be heard up on Rt87. AS the voice message plays , hey BOB where ya at? Were over on the east side of Miller's farm come on over we got em hanging.

www.blackpowderbill.com posted on my blog.

Pretty straight forward. As an FFL my comment will be, NO it will not help solve any crime n Mexico. http://www.gunleaders.com/blog/2011/02/06/why-was-the-atf-multi-rifle-sale-registration-comment-period-extended/

If the Legislators had as many letters as replies and views to this thread last year. We'd be enjoying Crossbows in early archery season on private land. BUT again, as in the previous 20 years the Xbow gang, or as they are better know the "F" Troop of NY Sportsmen" couldn't even find there saddles to mount up and ride in to help win the battle let alone the war. I was there and never once saw any "F" Troop members. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!

minimum limb of 17 inches. Since limb is singular I'd say 34" from tip to tip is the minimum. That's probably so the poachers can't get it out a car window. :

Elbridge Winter Rendezvous, February 12th & 13th, 2011 The Winter Rendezvous is a meat prize shoot (hams, bacons, and turkeys). All targets at this shoot are novelty of type and shot at 25 yards. If the weather is permitting we may hold a woods walk. Our woods walk consists of a mix of metallic animal silhouette and "trick shot" type targets. It is a fun challenge and if the targets don't challenge you, maybe the competitive harassment will. At times some shooters will dress in their traditional primitive clothing as seen in a few pictures above. There are occasionally settlers & traders set up in the club house with goods for sale or trade. All are welcome and if you don't have a muzzle loader stop by anyway, you may be interested before you leave.

NRA American Rifleman collection for sale 60 plus yearsComing soon! I have a large collection of the NRA's American Rifleman magazines dating from 1939 up till about 2000. I stopped arranging them in 2000. I have WW2, Korean Conflict and the Vietnam police action years. WW2 are housed in leather bound magazine holders will sell for $125.00 each yr. Other years will be priced accordingly from $5.00 to $10.00 per magazine. I have some double sets that can be sold as individual months. I'll list them as time permits. These magazines contain firearm information on the worlds most well know arms you'll not see in any other publication. Pleas contact me off forum for more information. Thanks BPB

George Bolender NY Outdoors Unlimited President www.nyoutdoorsunlimited.com NYB Physically Challenged Hunt Coordinator www.newyorkbowhunters.com

Just a reminder, our next meeting is Wednesday February 9th, 7PM Marion American Legion Post. County Sheriff Virts and County Clerk Jankowski will be guest speakers to discuss the new pistol permit system in Wayne County. John P. Wane Cty Chairman Posted by BPB SCOPE State Director @ Large

http://www.scopeny.org/ARCHIVES/wnysport.mp3 I start at the 14:57 mark Pay special attention to the renewable pistol permit question and comment.

If you know the thread might be modified make a copy of it so when the person makes a change you can call him on it.

This meetign is for Reps from area Federations. But they will not throw you out if you'd like to sit in. Call Glenn and ask him first to give him a heads up. You can tell him I posted this if it helps. ===== Subject: Meeting Friday Night 6:00 PM All, Talked with Gary Chave today. He confirmed that the Fingerlakes Conservation Council meeting is Scheduled for Friday night February 4th at 6:00 PM in East Avon at the DEC Region 8 Headquarters. Gary Stated we will order Pizza. Sincerely, Glen Adams 14 Waskington St, Le Roy, NY 14482 585-768-6278 e-mail [email protected]

http://www.nyoutdoorsunlimited.com/ http://www.nyoutdoorsunlimited.com/news.htm

Excuse my grammar and writing skills I'm a licensed engineer not a english major. And here I thought we were on a new road since my phone conversation with the NYSR&P VP of Operations. = Ah Jake drags out the misinterpreted letter again. Let me clarify this. No Jake you are incorrect again and you know it! Many handgun owners had questioned and wanted us to look into the 5 yr renewable permit. Hey, because it’s in other states and the NRA didn't object to it. The past President of SCOPE was instructed to ask the SCOPE Board of Directors if we wanted to peruse this. That’s what the association leadership is suppose to do; is ask the membership what direction the association should take since so many people were asking about renewable permits. What was R&P going to do wait till the laws passed, then try to negotiate for something better? The SCOPE Board of Directors voted NO to a renewable permit. SCOPE has a set of opinion papers that were published in 2010, they are online for all to see. Let’s ask Jake where his associations set of opinions are? Let’s ask if R&P has a set of “what ifs’” laid out so when another anti law is passed gun owners will have an idea of what to do? Jake, as well as I, know was well aware of this, as was Tom King President of NYSR&P because Ken Mathison discussed many issues with Tom King. So boys and girls~ You'll never see Jake actually give a stance or an opinion as he can only point fingers at the other groups in NY. Maybe you should all ask Jake, why NY has the Pataki 5 point plan. It wasn’t my gun club(s) that received a $150,000.00 state grant to up grade the kitchen and shooting areas. Or why he considers the Nassau county lawsuit half baked? Or why Rochester has an AW ban? Or why we can’t carry in most county parks? Or why we even have to have a permit in the first place? Or Kirsten Gillibrand the Albany NRA’s go to girl turned anti. Or why the bill to stop judges from placing restrictions on permits was stopped? OR why we can’t use our permits for FL 4473 firearms transfers any longer? NY has complied with the FBI’s program, what’s the hold up? SCOPE doesn’t believe we should even have to have a permit. SCOPE’s Past President Ken Mathison has stated that on many radio shows. Yet the NRA runs around the nation fighting for carry permits, with training. If training is so bad then why does the NRA have so many firearms training programs? It was SCOPE that got the Eddie Eagle courses in Wayne county schools. It was SCOPE that pushed for plastic permit I.D. Cards in Wayne county, if you want one. SCOPE has local monthly meetings for its members to discuss issues. Where are the NYSR&P’s affiliates meetings held at again? I don’t even have the time to get into the animal rights issues I tried to get NYSRPA involved with in the early 1990’s. I was laughed at told they didn’t have time as those groups were idiots. OH, I almost forgot for those of you, who don't know who NYRKB is. It’s Jacob Rieper, legislative director of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. ... With that said: YOU, Jake, call Joseph P. DeBergalis , Jr. NRA Director & NYSRPA VP of Operations and tell him the NYSRPA and State Muzzle-Loaders association affiliation is OFF~ DONE~ZIP~Ain’t gonna happen~ ever!!! Here’s his number 518-389-8322 Oh I’ll put the affiliation idea up to a vote to my Board in February since it’s a new item for them. There isn’t going to be any secret votes or committees making the decision. ======= FYI: Guys, I’ve been an NRA member longer than most of those who condemn SCOPE. I’ve also belonged to at one time to about every 2nd amendment group alive. Started shooting at age 5~ I’ve shot Jr. DCM took my NRA rifle course at the age of 11 (Can’t do that in NY ya have to be 12 yrs old to shoot a firearm) NRA Endowment member 30 plus years SCOPE Life member 25+ yrs & State Director NYS Muzzle-Loaders Association President * Life member NMLRA member Past founding trustee and President Region Eight North Instructors Association Past Hunter Ed instructor Firearm and Bow Past VP of National Association of Powder Engineers in Rochester (I turned down the Pres. Position to help get the Williamson gun club back on its feet.) Director and past President of the Williamson Conservation & Sporting Club Licensed FFL over 20 years Past President, Secretary, PR to the Wayne County Federation of Sportsmen clubs U.S Navy vet 6.7 years active duty Past NYSRPA member and the only reason I re-joined was to help Tim Callery out because I felt the association was going to turn around. ===== I’m sick and tired of the NYSRPA pissing match. From here on out Jake, your association does not exist to me. The rest of us actually have associations to run and we accomplish quite a bit without all the hype and fact less comments. Go back to your blogs and negative comments, stay in Albany. End of my comments on this subject~ Anyone want to hear more contact me offline or better yet come to a SCOPE meeting and see what were doing.

You want to know what the future holds for us? Look at the Reservations~ government set them up and runs them.