SomervilleSlayer

Sorry to bust your bubble BKT, but i can pick up that same exact set-up plus a PTO spreader for a grand less then what your asking brand new. And i can get 0% financing for 84 months. The incentives to buy new right now are great. I think you might have a hard time selling that for that price. Wish you luck.

Good point you bring up about the Fox. So i looked up the article i was referencing for clarification. It states " Once Wolves were removed from the East, there was a 50 year period in which there were no wild canids east of the Appalachians." So it specifies WILD, and Appalachians, not Mississippi. Still not convinced that we did not have Fox east of the Appalachians at that point in time. Been doing a little research on that topic and can't find anything to back that up support that other then this article. BTW this article was in a Feb 2010 edition of Outdoor Life pg. 51 tittled "WOLF IN COYOTE'S CLOTHING"

Mike Rossie, I agree with everything you posted, including your opinion.

Research conducted by a team of scientists from the New York State Museumconclude that Eastern Coyotes from Maine to New Jerseycarry a significant % of Wolf Genetics. Most likely inherited from their ancesters journey through onterio and across the St. Lawrence river into upstate NY throughout the last 90 years. Coyotes are NOT native to NY, however Wolves are. Coyotes are plains animals. Once the Wolves were removed from NY, there was a 50 year span of no wild canids east of the Mississippi. Coyotes started to filter in to new england in the 1940's by migrating through Onterio where they interbred with Wolves and also learned the habit of praying on deer in the woodland habitat. Why did the Wolves not chase the Coyote and kill them like they do in western states. I would guess because there is no lack of game and both animals could live together in Onterio. The scientists also concluded that eastern Coyotes have larger and thicker skulls then the western Coyote. More like a Wolf. This promted research of the DNA of these Coyotes and significant ammounts of Wolf DNA was found in these eastern Coyotes. It was also found that about 1/3 of the diet of the eastern Coyote is comprised of the Whitetail deer. I find it funny that there are still hunters on this Coyote forum that beleive that there are no Wolf Genetics in these eastern Coyotes and that they don''t pray on healthy mature deer. I have no doubt that, if given the option, that a Coyote would choos the slower easier meal. But i also have no doubt that these 65-75 lb hybrids, especially working as a pack, have absalutly no trouble taking down an adult, healthy whitetail.

Welcom! I live a little north of you in Sommerville NY. Tons of stateland in our area. I too am looking forward to continue to develop my son as an archery hunter. He is only 11 now. But through him i have found that fun and excitmenet once again in the "smaller"" things, or atleast things that i have gotten away from over the years. Things like teaching weapon safety and learning how to shoot to learning how to properly sight in a rifle scope. Skeet shooting. Looking forward to taking him small game hunting and rekindling that flame from years ago.

As far as the power difference at long range between the two bullets. 243 Energy- you can find many you can find many loads that will maintain close to 1,000 ft/lbs out to 400 yards. IMO, 1,000 is the magic number for whitetail. So lets look at accuracy at 400 yard shot, since accuracy and shot placement is paramount. 243 rate of drop @ 400 yards- you can find those same loads will drop at 20 inches at 400 yards if zero'd in at 200 yards. 30-06 rate of drop @400 yards- you can find common loads that will drop 20-21 inches at yoo yards if zeroe'd at 200 yards. So IMO i beleive that either round is perfectly suited for whitetail hunting. However, the bennifit of the 30-06 is that is more versatile. Should you decide to hunt larger game like bear, elk, mule deer, moose, then the 30-06 will continue to provide you with the energy needed to adequatly dispatch those animals. BTW, i own a 30-0 and i don't own a 243, but i will be buying one this summer for my 12 year old son. Hope this helps.

I agree with this 100%. 243 is plenty to kill a deer. NOTHING is more important then shot placement. NOTHING will make up for a poorly placed shot. What cal do you shoot better? If you're spot on with the 243, no need to change(IMHO). Howver, there is nothing wrong with shooting the heavier round, so long as you find the right load and practice to perfect accuracy.

Live in Somerville near Oxbow. Hunt around DeKalb, Lisbon, Canton, Edwards area.

6 yotes in about 5 weeks. Not bad for hunting. But i told him the same thing thing you just mentioned. He would better off trying to get a tapper on his land.

Sorry Predate, i didn't see where you changed your opinion. Sorry. As far as a fence for the sheep. 1) i never said this guy was smart. 2) he really doesn't have much money at all. 3) Not sure any fence he could afford would keep Coyotes out. But bottom line, he doesn't have a fence. Do you all think i'm wrong one way or another for taking this rancher up on his offer out of season..... keep in mind, i called the DEC and asked, and was granted permission.

Well, i could also envite you over to my house to target practice on paper. Then when you get there call 911 and tell them that you forced your way into my house and held me and my family at gunpoint while attempting to rob me. It would be a complete lie but there would be an investigation to say the least. You can "what if" all day long, all i'm saying is how I and the Local Game Warden interperat the law coupled with the land owner asking for a favor, gave me all I need to feel as though i was legally and morrely authorized to hunt coyote out of regular season. If you don't want to take the risk because you think the land owners wife is going to turn you into to the DEC and lie about everything, then maybe that's not a place you want to spend any time.

This is just not true. You do NOT need a nuisance permit to kill a Coyote out of season. If a Coyote is damaging any property (killing or THREATENING to kill live stock is just one example) then they may be taken on the spot, year round, and without a permit what so ever. This is in the State of New York of course. I know a sheep rancher and he is always calling me to come over and thin the Coyote number as they average killing 2 sheep per week. Before i started, i called a local DEC Officer to make sure i was legal. He told me as long as the Coyote''s are killing or threatening to kill the livestock and i have the land owner permission, then i was legal. I check the regulations just to double tap and it verrified what he told me.

Well, since you mentioned the 243 as being the range you're looking for as far as recoil, i would reccommend 2 other short chambers that are chambered in the same case. The 308 and the 7mm-08. The 308 has been tested for decades and proven to be a great deer round. I personally own a 7mm-08. I baught it for my father years ago after he had open heart sergery and wanted a lighter recoiled rifle. Check out the ballistics on these rounds. very impressive to say the least. The difference between the 2, both of course have more then enough energy, or knockdown power to kill deer out to 400 yards. The 308 is a little heavier then the 7mm-08. So it will do a little more damage but the 7 mm-08 is a little faster and flatter shooting. I know you would love either one if you chose to get one of these.

Lets all agree on one thing..... SHOT PLACEMENT is the absalute key. We know that a 243 will kill a deer. That round has the ballistics to do so, well. I personally prefer a larger round for myself. I am an experience hunter and shooter. I can handle recoil. What it all boils down to is what rifle can the shooter shoot most accuratley? Whatever it might be, that's the rifle to use. That is why i'm buying my son a 243 this summer to prepare him for his first deer hunt this fall. I want my son to be comfertable shooting this rifle and shooting it a lot at my range. I belive he will be able to shoot a 243 better then, lets say a 270. I know there are other cal's in between, but i think this will be the best for his light 11 year old body. Plus it will double as his coyote gun. Now when he gets older and more experienced and a larger frame on his body, i expect he will choose a larger cal rifle for whitetail hunting and i will be able to pass that rifle down to his sister(3 years younger). I have always been a fan of the smaller, faster, flatter bullets myself. I do a lot of hunting where there might be some longer shots on a buck. I don't want totell my son that he should have a bigger cal just because"the bigger cal leaves more room for error". This should not be the thought process when selecting a rifle. The thought proccess should be, what cal can i most effectivly target a bucks vitals with? And from there, you must stdy ballistics and practice, practice, practice! Like i said before, SHOT PLACEMENT IS EVERYTHING.

When stationed at Fort Drum, we had a 2.5 year old 6 point that lived in a little patch of woods next to our Company Headquarters. Deer at Ft. Drum are kinda like city deer as they are somewhat protected and don't fear humans. Well one day, during the rut, this buck was standing in the PT area where we did our daily physical training. When we attempted to "take over" the field from this buck, he ran us off and would not give. It's was quite entertaining! This happend about 4-5 times, finnally, we gave up and moved to different location. A few days later.... that buck was gone !