Tacti_Steve

I finally got home from the Shot Show after a storm on the east coast delayed most flights across the country. First real night home so I decided to go hunt my dog. When I got home my wife says I just missed the SPCA. Turns out someone walking down the road (best I can figure from the details I've put together) doesn't understand that hunting hounds are not lazy fat house dogs. They're in shape and they reported me saying he was malnourished. There's my first problem. They didn't come over and talk to me or take the time to learn what is really going on. But they did the "right" thing and reported it. I can get over that until I figure out who it was. What really set me off is that come to find out they showed up with a Sheriff Deputy and before knocking on the door they trespassed to the far end of my yard to inspect my kennel. You can see from the road the dog was obviously not in it. It was night time and the lights in the house were on. There was no reason for them to conduct a warrant less search. Had I been home and they had knocked first I would have shown them the dog. My hound has a feeder. He as access to nearly unlimited food 24/7. He's just active and very fit. Now that they violated my fourth amendment I'm exercising my fifth and they'll never see him. What if the dog was being abused. They would have just thrown out their whole case because they couldn't stop and ask first! Hopefully they learn from all the formal complaints I'm going to file. Oh and neither of them ever identified themselves to my wife. They just knocked on the door and started asking questions. Luckily she had the sense not to open the door until she knew who at least the SPCA person was. The Deputy though never identified himself and my wife thought he was another SPCA officer. Talked to the supervisor at the Sheriff's station late the next afternoon. I tore into him (nice and professional like) about how his officer failed to identify himself to my wife. Then went onto explain how his officer would have been responsible for jeopardizing the case had my dog actually been abused. I made sure to explain to him how I knew the difference between criminal trespassing and technical trespassing (which is what the officer did). Said I would have been nice and assisted in the investigation but now that they violated my fourth amendment I was going to exercise my fifth. Now they can't see the dog without a warrant so don't bother coming back. And I have pictures of both their foot prints in the snow. He said he had to wait a couple of days for the deputy to go back on duty but he was calling the SPCA officer immediately to get their side of the story. I said that's fine but don't come back without a warrant. Know your rights and don't give into the intimidation of law enforcement. Also obey the law and respect your animals.

Those dogs would not be considered hunting hounds. They were giving chase to the Deer. Those I would lump in with the coyotes. Thanks I am. This place is Amazing and the Show it just so big! Oh I agree the only land owners that give me permission to run during Deer season are the farmers that just don't care. Most farmers want the coons gone as bad as they do the Deer. They'll tell me have at it. Not all of them though. Some do say just not during Deer season. But finding land that is not owned by a farmer to run on is much less common. Opening day 2014 the night prior I ran my dog on a piece of land and set up a spot to sit in a hedge row. Never Deer hunted that spot before. By 7:45 I had a 7 point dead at 20 yards. I don't use tree stands either. Can't tell you how many coons I tree in tree stands and you'd never know the next day.

I think this thread is getting off topic a little bit guys. Sorry for not keeping up with it I am in Las Vegas at the Shot Show this week. yotes taking up residence and being part of the eco system was not the topic of this discussion. It is very different from what this study was for. This study proved that running Raccoons with hounds on a piece of property did not have any impact on the over all Deer patterns. If you read the hunting data in the study they were not hunting with any kind of major frequency either. The point is that a well trained hound that runs by a Deer while yes may spook the Deer but the event does not cause the Deer to permanently change its pattern or territory. Hound hunting on an occasional basis (even once a week) is not the same thing as a pack of yotes moving in. It is not the same thing as poor conservation that allows the predators to get out of control. It is quite the opposite.

Considering one of the hound hunting activities I'm talking about is hunting yotes with hounds what we are discussing here is not the same thing. In your scenario they don't run them out. They eat them. In my scenario the hound runs by and doesn't give chase to the Deer. Your "situation" is unchecked overpopulation. That is not what we are discussing here. We are discussing the impact on Deer movement by allowing people to run dogs on other game.

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I don't think so but I've never never seem or heard anyone else running a redbone out there. Just thought it was old and neat so I'd share. www.HuntingTactical.com Modern Gear for Modern Hunters [email protected]

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It's a trail near the river. Used to be a rail way. www.HuntingTactical.com Modern Gear for Modern Hunters [email protected]

The Genesee Greenway in Scottsville

I've seen it before always figured they weren't fast enough and it got run over.

went out for a run last night before leaving for the shot show today. Dog ran one through this neat old culvert under the genesee Greenaway. Been hunting "near" the Greenaway for years and never saw it. I like finding cool old things out in the woods. It's been there for at least 60 of not near 100 years old. Still strong enough to hold a truck at least. Not that I'd know from personal experience. Dog treed the coon in a brush pile right on the other side. Saw some eyes real quick before the dog found his east into it. Bet he was 30' in there.

Yes and No because yotes are a predator of them. The yotes give chase. So while they'd be less inclined to watch them go by yotes won't change their pattern. I've seen them in the same field before the deer just keep an eye on them.www.HuntingTactical.com Modern Gear for Modern Hunters [email protected]

The problem here is that going into the property is not consistent enough. Sure allowing someone in right before opening night never have been in there is going to disturb the area a little. But consistently they would have no impact. You are entitled to your opinion. It's your land. Last night I walked 15-20 yards from two Does. I just kept walking and they just watched me go by.

This my friend is what the study and myself have proved to be untrue. If you spook a Deer enough times without harming them they will stop spooking. Otherwise you wouldn't have Deer living in my neighbors backyard or at parks where there are constantly people.

I'm not saying that Deer don't spook off. They generally do once I get about 10-15 yards from them. My point is it does not impact the overall Deer movements. The Deer will return rather quickly. And a Deer the next day doesn't care that the property smells like hound dog. My main point is allowing a hound hunter into the property is not going to hurt your Deer hunting. Statistically it might even help it.

Not mine. Anyone that does it for real uses Garmin GPS shock collars. I know real quick if they're running deer. My pups do it maybe twice and they're done. www.HuntingTactical.com Modern Gear for Modern Hunters [email protected]

I thank you for the invitation! Unfortunately I am on the other end of the state from Long Island. I don't usually have a problem taking about a yote a month. Where I am I've had to stop skinning coons in the woods because the yotes figured out there would be meat left over and started attacking my hounds while they were tree'd. I had a pack one time try to take the coon while I was skinning it. I carry a 22 mag pistol now just for them.

I haven't done pictures on this site yet. Can you try posting them to photobucket or a site the like and then use the img /img on the url? Are they pictures of a different study?

In this instance we'll have to agree to disagree. I like though that you are the first houndsmen I've run into that has thought that way.

And that is what this study did was understand their normal patterns and movements and then introduced hound hunting to the area to see its impact. And there was a control area right next to it, to ensure other environmental factors were accounted for. It was a really well done study.

But they returned right...It didn't truly upset their pattern or movements.

Interesting in the 15 years I've been running hounds I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've run deer completely out of a 100 acres plot aside from them just kicking across a wide open field.

I consider that well trained.

They may not be good rifles for hunting but that is no reason the government should say we can't hunt with them. If the technology doesn't work hunters won't use it. Opening it up for the market to use will spur innovation and improvements to the technology. Outlawing it will stall the development by the free market. If we allow the government to regulate every new technology we end up with laws that banning a semi-auto because it has a pistol grip. When in fact that technology improves the gun. These air rifles do not pose any significant threat to society therefore there is no reason for the government to regulate them and tell me I cannot use them for hunting. That is for me to decide. If society (other hunters) don't like me using it then they will put social pressure on me not to use it. It is not just cause to send me to jail.

I have never measured or fitted one. I don't like fixed stocks. I put telescoping stocks on all my hunting guns. The length changes depending one what you're wearing.