Tacti_Steve

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Interesting. The farmers I shoot for all tell me I have to be in the field. One even has special tower stands built specifically for it. I agree at 200 yards no need to worry about scent and can use rifles. One of the fields that's hit heaviest has a lot of houses around it. For safety I just can't get myself to use a rifle. Plus the village is a half mile down the road. Well within a potentially bad scenario with a rifle. I try to use my smooth bore shotgun in most of the farms. For one I break out the 30-06.

I second that. They should not have been ticketed. They made an honest mistake (by the sounds of it) and did the right thing by reporting it. Had they been repeat offenders or some other bad detail then sure. But this is why people don't report it when they make a mistake.

That's a good farmer! I wouldn't mind that as long as my freezer had meat in it. I let a lot of Does go because they have fawns. The rules say if you shoot a Doe with a fawn to shoot the fawn too but that's not how I work. I let them go and give the fawn a chance. I know from a conservation standpoint it might not be the way to go if limiting long term numbers is the goal but for my conscience I like to let them have a fighting chance in life.

I'm not asking you to cozy up with me. If it doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy inside then we should not by accepting a five year plan that does not allow the system to come up with innovative approaches to solve whatever problem you have it. Idling a tractor is wasted money to a farmer. We need to come up with solutions that offset that economic loss and make it beneficial for them. Like maybe an app they can just press a button and someone from the local food pantry shows up and takes care of the deer. Or a program that allows youth to come out and fill the tags. In return the farmer gets some kind of write-off. And for those of you that don't realize it (I didn't until I started) they are allowed to shoot from any motorized vehicle as long as it is not road registered i.e. tractor. They are also allowed to shoot deer until 11 PM and can use spotlights. And for those that haven't done it shooting Deer in July is no picnic. The mosquito's will eat you alive! You can't manage scent you have to hunt in a manner where it doesn't matter. 90 degrees at high noon and you'll be sweating. You also can't shoot from a tree stand that is mounted on the hedgerow. You have to actually be in the field the permit is good for. That means a tower stand or laying on the ground. Again all "rules" that could be changed in an agile system.

That's not entirely true. First they're not asking Apple to take any information off of the phone. They're just asking them to disable the auto destruct so they can unlock it. Apple therefore hasn't touched the data. Secondly if an FBI involved process is strictly adhered to then it is admissible. Law enforcement uses outside contractors all the time. There just needs to be documented procedures to prove it wasn't tampered with.

Deterring the Deer doesn't control the population. The DEC uses nuisance permits just like they do tags to help keep the population in check. If people shoot more Deer during the season then they'd give out less permits. In theory at least. But as the OP put out they're not making any changes so there goes that theory.

That one would gore the hell out of you. I bet he got whatever Doe he wanted.

He gets both antlered and antlerless. I think the antlered is only August and September or something like that. You have to turn the head into the DEC if you take antlers. When they come and get it they are always shocked that I'm turning it in. He probably has to apply for a special permit or something idk I just take the tag and shoot the deer.

Nuisance permits on a Christmas tree farm. I usually take a couple each summer off that farm. Hit that one at 300 yards with a 30-06. During the season that is a shotgun only zone.

I gauge it by weight in the freezer. A certain dead spike in the freezer weighs more than the possible big buck I might or might not get a shot at later. Plus I hunt all year round I get them all. I agree if they make it by my barrel they have a better chance of growing and getting more points. I am not one that thinks a deer rack stays the way it is. I completely agree the rack grows with the deer. My point is that I'm not a buckhead. I don't care for the rack. I just feed them to the dog. There is only one rack hanging on my wall and that is my first Deer I got when I was 17. Got this one last year. Only reason the dog didn't get the horns was I had to turn the head into the DEC because it was August.

Any dog of mine that bites without being provoked gets its genes removed from the bloodline. There's no place for a dog that doesn't respect their place in life.

I agree they get bigger and better the longer they live. I think what he was getting at is that AR lead to genetically smaller bucks through genetic selection. Another reason not to discriminate and shoot them all. I gauge a good year by the volume of meat in my freezer not the number of points my dog chews on. Spikes are just as good for his teeth as an 8pt they just don't last as long.

I was at a fur sale on Saturday and there were a few trappers there with 80+ each. Lots of fox too

They should not ignore it but they should follow the process to appeal it. I for one don't have anything to hide and still load custom roms on my phones to avoid as much government and Google tracking as I can. If it doesn't do anything it at least makes me feel better. If I built a homemade PC and installed windows on it and set it so if you entered the password too many times it exploded Microsoft wouldn't be called in to hack my system. Terrorism or not some people just don't want the govt in their stuff. The FBI should be using their own resources and if they can't do it move on or hire better people.

You can still buy your ammo online and have it shipped to an FFL or ammunition seller locally. Assuming the website hasn't just taken a screw NYS policy.

A suppressor for each of my guns to save what's left of my hearing.

Got out Saturday night with a buddy to do some calling. Nothing came in range but had a few way out answer the calls. I usually shoot about one a month when running my dog on coons. They come in while he's tree'd. They are horrendously bad where I am.

Wow this thread blew up. I didn't check it for one day. Yes the bear and coyote hunters have this problem but as they have demonstrated it is not impossible. There are also plenty of state land areas that are large enough. An agile approach would do something like require the dogs have a garmin TT10 or new collar so that the dogs can be tracked and called off the trail before they trespass. This is the modern day not our grandpa's hunting. We can use technology to do things we couldn't before. I'm not saying it would be a fit everywhere. I agree dogs do not use property lines but we also have technology today that we didn't just a few years ago. I have never had a hound over 2 years old since the Garmin collars came out that I couldn't keep on the property I hunt. I hunt several blocks that are only 30 acres and the hound stays in them. Granted Raccoon's don't run as far as Deer. This is like saying it's ok for NYC to run NYS. They out number us and the culture is different doesn't give them to right to dictate how we hunt. We should be free to hunt how we like as long as we are doing it safely on on our own property, property we have permission to, or public property. Just because you or the masses don't like what I do doesn't give you the right to say I can't do it. The constitution say I have the right to pursue happiness. I have a very different experience. I hunt an urban area and it is overrun by Deer. Because it is so close to the village and surrounded by houses no one goes in there to hunt. Yes houndsman are having a tough time. I'm one of them. But I don't push my hunting methods. I push conservation. Hunt however you like as long as it is safe. I don't criticize the guys out there that drive the crap out of the woods just because that's not how I hunt. I don't criticize the buckheads for how they hunt. I don't agree that its good conservation but you are free to let deer pass you by. I'm not saying anyone has to do it. I wouldn't. I don't need to. I kill enough deer without having to pay for another dog. But I should be free to if I want. I agree and I shoot them all. Limits should be set on volume not physical attributes (other than male/female). Disease doesn't let the little ones go. Predators primarily prey on the young, sick and old. Shooting only mature healthy deer allows the predators to thrive nearly as much as not shooting any. In general I hunt for food, conservation, and sport. In that order. Sure I want that big Tom just like I want that nice rack. But I shoot the just year old Jake that walks by just the same. He's meat in the freezer. I'll save my second tag for the big Tom until the end of the season then I'll fill it however I can. I'm not saying that running Deer with dogs is the answer. Obviously the culture here in NYS does not lend itself to it. I myself wouldn't run Deer with a hound unless I found some significant advantage to it over other less expensive means. My main point is that we need an agile system that can respond to changing environments on a local level faster than every five years. In five years there could be the next Garmin collar (or insert your own technology here) that changes the whole way we hunt. The existing policies can very quickly become obsolete or even counter productive. I just hope that the people setting these ridiculous policies realize that anything can be changed. Even a no change policy. Even their career.

Those horses aren't dead? Well then lets put a bullet in them. Wear orange whenever you are hunting something that is color blind and any restrictions on slaughtering deer suck.

Running Deer with Dogs is no different than running anything else with dogs. Hound hunting is just a different more exciting way to hunt. But as HH demonstrated there is a huge stigma against what people don't understand. And the reason you've never heard of it is because you can't in NYS. I understand the overlap is not illegal but go ask landowners if you can run some yotes safely with hounds during their deer season. If you find one I'm having you buy me my next lotto ticket. Deer hunters think that running hounds ruins their hunting when studies show it does just the opposite. Every year there are reports of people shooting hounds, taking dogs, taking the collars off of dogs etc because people don't understand how hound hunting works. Anyways that's off topic. My point is there are a lot of changes that can be made to the system and to lock it down for the next 5 years is just another reason I want out of this state so badly. Unfortunately I can't leave right now so I just have to keep dealing with it.

Sorry haven't been on the forum that long. What was the outcome? www.HuntingTactical.com Modern Gear for Modern Hunters [email protected]

Get well soon. Take it easy and let it heal right. I've heard that light activity is actually good for the recovery of a hernia. Never had one myself though.

Isn't the obvious answer I look for Turkey's?

I agree which is why we can't ignore all the other seasons just for Deer season. We need an agile well rounded system. Also I'll add about the eating part I also get a pig every year from the local farmer. And it's my, my wife and my 10 mo old daughter. And yes she eats venison too.