ManicOutdoorsman92

Opossum i bet, youd know if it were a skunk Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

I looked an area like that over earlier, there were some monster rubs back there in years past, dec " unique area", although it gets lots of traffic from locals walking the dogs, and what not, same deal though. They come to the soccer and baseball fields for feed Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

This is a far larger conversation than can be discussed through forums. in short i will say that when antlers are a primary objective, respect for the animal they pursue, is often lost. how many guys out there would take a less than optimal shot at a big buck, because, " you may never get another chance". lots that i have talked to about shots with a bow i hear about clearly shouldn't have been taken, but they couldn't help but be fixated on the rack. I never hear of these risky shots taken on does. Thats just a small part but again, a much larger conversation, and wont continue the back and forth over forums. We'll just agree to disagree Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Ah funny, your opinion is your own, but I'll say assumption of my character is completly innaccurate. And basing all that from some forum post is pretty rash don't ya think. Funny, call me a simpleton, sign waving leftist, without knowing a thing about me and then in the same post say, "Not sure whatever happened to accepting other opinions instead of condemning others and name calling", for the record i accept your opinion just don't agree with it, theres a difference there. Im not forcing my opinion down your throat, just stating it. Also as far as politics is concerned, I choose not to get involved. Whether the far left or right they're all blowing smoke up your ass and if you fall for their antics, you're the real simpleton. Failing to have an independent thought process, and having to fall into this group, or that group, to feel the consolidation of people, who ONLY THINK LIKE YOU, and then refute everyone else's opinion Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

All the walking and this is still my best shed, spotted from my stand the 2015 gun season. Bladed beam and g2, stickers, a wannabe drop tine, and incredible mass. To say i was excited when i picked this up is an understatement. The ones found not looking are always the best Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Honestly if all you can equate is, Illegal = wrong, bad Legal = good, right you really should reevaluate your morals Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

LEGALITY, has nothing to do with it. Its my own personal ethics that drive my opinion, theres plenty of scumbags in the world working within the law, hunting aside. Again you got all the freedom in the world to hunt for whatever reasons you like, and im going to express my opinion about it. So hypethetical, the state employs legal means for spot lighting and night hunting to decrease numbers, would you call those "hunters", i would assume, you called baiters hunters. Im sorry if the scumbag comment, hurt your feelings, you can slide in " peice of shit" in it place if its more suitable. I didnt realize you were so sensitive to criticism Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Ha thats funny! Where'd i come across as anti hunting, just dont care for big buck trophy hunters, and their ideology. Because I don't agree with your mindset that makes me anti-hunting? Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Thats right you got the freedom to kill food you don't need, and I got the freedom to express my opinions about you on that. 'MERICA HELL YEA! Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Hmmm when did I say i shoot button bucks, i pass all fawns, and will pass a 1 1/2 until within the last week of any season bow or gun Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Why thankyou! I take real pride in my in how I present myself. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Thats damn good for that amount of time. Last year was my first serious year, got 22 although i had a stroke of beginners luck, the first finds were nine in a small alfalfa feild, with 2 sets and a nice 5 pt half, that was a great day. Usually If i find more than one thats a good day, put in atleast 3-7 hrs each outting if weather permits and am out pretty much every spare moment from, end of jan-april. Im currently at 9 for the year, hopefully will get a few more. Theres a small chunk of private up the road i hunt and was suprised i didnt pick a shed up back there. I know the bucks back there pretty well, and their areas, found two from some i had on camera last year and had those bucks under my stand at separate times during this past season ( tag was already filled), also spotted a buck back there i didnt know about, was a nice 3 yo 8 pt. I got one video of him passing my 3d deer target and cutting into fragmites/cattails that butts up to a backyard. Checked it out end of feb thinking it may be his bed, busted up a deer outta there and found a nice sized lone bed surrounded by frag pactically in someones backyard. The rubs in the immediate area lead me to believe it was his bed, but no sheds, numerous young ones caught on camera regularly, good number of bucks back there in general, yet no sheds. Really thought i would pick atleast one up back there Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Thats right big antlers bring big bucks, and i never said one cant do it, go for it kill your trophies, but i stand by the fact that if you hunt for a rack without needing the meat, you are indeed a scumbag, your killing for pure sport, and then complain that there arent enough big bucks. And im not determining anyones ability to shoot anything im saying if you made a conscious decision to only shoot what u need, u would see more antlered deer Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

No problem with giving away excess as numbers arent a problem, antlers is the issue ( with some atleast)Im saying those who want more bucks should maybe think about only killing what they need, iv you got excess to give to family thats great, thats the real purpose of hunting, providing for your family in the most direct way possible, but dont be upset with less large antlered deer. The scumbag comment is more for the guys that filled buck tags here then gotta go to pa or nh to get the chance at another antlered deer even though they have all ready got the required meat for the year, and donate excess to charities. again no problem taking extras to feed your family, but if u want more antlered deer that certainly plays a role Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

No I'm implying the natural forces at play are always attempting to regain balance, keyword attempting. And those forces are uncontrollable. Curious how does the qdma know what nature intended. Its not the quality ecosystem management association, its about keeping deer around for deer hunters however many that may be. This pretty much summed it up for me. from their homepage.. " we are hunters from all walks of life who share a passion for white-tailed deer. We believe it is our responsibility to ensure the future of white - tail deer, wildlife habitat and our heritage of hunting, as the authority on all things white-tail (oh jeez), we blend the art of hunting with the science science of management to create better deer and better deer hunting." Notice there isnt a "as well as preserving a natural healthy ecosystem" preceding that sentence. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

In a natural world, with no regs, and we were indeed killing to feed ourselves we'd ultimately starve ourselves due to overharvesting, and hopefully the remaining would learn there lesson. Which brings up another point, how many of you have meat left at the end of the year, and how many are just scumbags who kill for a rack and donate excess meat, oh sure its for a good cause. If this is the case maybe your overharvesting, and thus not allowing more bucks, whether year old or button, too grow, Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

I came across wooden stands on public made in the shape of hang ons, strapped to the tree, they looked well made too. Then i start to think, if i got enough stand sites thats probably a good deal, surely cheaper doing it like that if ya got the time and some basic carpentry skills. Though you'd probably have to do some assembly on site Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Defeats the purpose you'd think, makes me wonder how many make it to the next year Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Did I say we aren't included in the web? Let me put it simple.. Through natural selection, a balanced ecosystem is created in an environment friendly for all critters, including us (OMG did he just call us critters!) Through qdm an unbalanced ecosystem is created in an environment friendly for deer, and deer hunters, thats it. I understand your reasoning, but its selfish in nature. The problem is so many are caught up in our manipulated, manufactured life, we've become detatched. While we understand how our actions can affect an ecosystem, we always fail to understand how the natural forces in the ecosystem effect us. That'll catch up to us, imo we're cresting over the falls as far as an ecosystem as a whole and we'll pay the price eventually. So honestly enjoy the gravy train while it lasts, sure employ AR get a big buck state here in new york, feeders mineral blocks, legalize them too, afterall its for the herd health right, but until you can get out of your selfish, shallow mindset, you will fail to see the big pictute Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

With the rain I'll probably try and get out for some steel on lake O tribs when it comes down some Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Very nice speckling and color, nice fish. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Look at the most basic food web illustrations, you'll see each thing effects the other, and sometimes multiple things effected by one, the basics dont include the large picture, but its apparent the DEER management crowd cant grasp a larger concept, so start with that. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Deer management, is just that managing DEER, theres all other critters out there and envirmental influences at play. Imo the proclaimed "high quality" deer hunting states are nothing more than free range deer farms, no wonder all the disease issues out there. All the management, feeders mineral blocks whatever, creates only a deer friendly enviroment that I'm sure would create an exiting deer hunting experience, but disrupts the natural balance of an ecosystem as a whole. Like it or not the forces that in effect balance an ecosystem, are ongoing and always at play and whatever manipulation you may try to produce the results you prefer, those natural forces will always be attempting to restore balance Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Curious how does an irrelavant example provide any evidence of whats really going on with the deer, afterall you stated yourself its irellavant. So how does a theoretic example, apply to actual numbers, and hows that any indication of whats happening and whats going to happen. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

Ok, thank you for stating that inaccurate math supports your example, therefore your " example" is irrelevant. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk