mike rossi

Its even worse than that.... Do an experiment and start your own proboard.... Complete with pre-loaded posts.... First time I typed in dove, and it spits out why dont we have a dove season in ny..... All the representative questions are there for ya.... just click and bull..... Hunters like to say the same thing for 80 years even before the internet, maybe the internet was made for hunters, lol.....

For use at your clubs.... Loads slow,,, Keep advancing until you reach the page that says The End..... http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/presentation.html

You might want sub forums: Pointing dogs flushing dogs retrievers Beagles and bassets hounds large hounds health, care, feeding Because very little is relevant across the dog groups, it would be like putting deer hunting with grouse hunting.

This is important info, but let me give you a little perspective, take it for what its worth.... The cuts to these agencies happens every year in recent history and get the slash even when the pro gunners (lol) do not dominate congress.... Yet the programs and the system survive. The LWC fund was to sunset this year, there was a petition fyi: https://www.change.org/p/congress-renew-america-s-most-important-conservation-program-lwcf Not all is doom and gloom either: June 22, 2015 – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today announced the availability of $17.5 million in financial and technical assistance to help eligible conservation partners voluntarily protect, restore and enhance critical wetlands on private and tribal agricultural lands. http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdamobile?contentid=2015%2F06%2F0177.xml&contentidonly=true http://blog.pennlive.com/pa-sportsman/2015/07/wild_bobwhite_quail_may_be_ret.html http://lpcinitiative.org/aerial-survey-shows-25-increase-in-lesser-prairie-chicken-population/ I do want to bring to your attention the following article: http://www.friendsofthestamp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Baicich-June-2015.pdf Particularly this section: Where Birders Come In The price of a Migratory Bird Stamp reached $15 back in 1991. With the need to keep up with land acquisition and easement costs, especially since valuable habitat prices have tripled over the last three decades, it was important for the price of the stamp to rise. Indeed, what you may have bought for $15 in 1991 today costs about , starting with the new 2015–16 stamp. But as indicated before, this price increase also brings up a problem. Going back to the same well again and again, in this case to a dwindling number of waterfowl hunters, is not a long-range solution to the habitat acquisition problem. More stamp buyers have to be found. Moreover, asking those who are not required to buy a stamp—say, bird watchers or wildlife photographers—to voluntarily buy a $25 stamp is not simple. While not an easy sell, the price of the next stamp is about equal to the price of a decent large pizza and will likely be one of your smaller birding expenses. More importantly, it is still the easiest thing anyone can do to protect crucial wetland and grassland habitat. or at staffed NWR Visitor Centers. If you buy your stamp online at store.usps.com, you can save a trip and have it mailed to you for a modest $1.30 fee. The availability is there. Fortunately, there have been a number of birder-oriented organizations that have stepped up to the challenge of selling stamps, either individually or in special plastic display holders. These organizations include the Georgia Ornithological Society, the Wisconsin Society for OrnitholSociety, the Wisconsin Society for Ornithology, the Black Swamp Bird Observatory, the Klamath Bird Observatory, and the American Birding Association. You can pick one up at Massachusetts Audubon’s Joppa Flats Education Center. For birders, however, the important thing is not just to buy the stamp, but also to display the stamp, to show it off. See the sidebar for ideas. Last fall, Mike Burke, a birder and naturalist who writes regularly for the Maryland-area Bay Journal, wrote: “Today, birders are the pre-eminent sportsmen of our age and our numbers continue to grow.” He focused on the Duck Stamp, and To add to the confusion and conflation dont forget about the movement to create a Federal Wildlife Conservation Stamp. This is NOT the same movement or group lobbying Congress for a federal Upland Stamp. They are lobbying Congress for a federal Wildlife Conservation Stamp - which they nickname the non hunters stamp....

She will keep most of the other criiters away. You recruited a security guard...

The entire DEC is not connected to sportsmen, Hunters refer to the DEC, when they should be referring to the BOW, the bureau of wildlife, a section of the DEC. You are further implying that the upcoming staff even in the BOW are not hunters or even have first hand experience with hunting. That is correct, look at college enrollment. I don't think all that has anything to do with the DECs decision relevant to the OP however. It is repetition, and hunting is becoming more and more esoteric, and as such fewer and fewer non-hunters, including youth, including the children of hunters, can relate. I have said this in other words over and over.... Urbanization and the electronic age contribute, but they are not causative by themselves.

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Duck Stamp revenue goes into the federal migratory bird conservation fund. This fund is used to acquire wetlands as well as uplands where many migratory birds nest. Nothing is kicked back to the states as in the Pittman Robertson program nor are funds handed over to non government organizations. Ducks Unlimited raises about the same amount of money as the duck stamp program. Upland organizations raise a lot of money too. And an federal upland stamp can add to that, but how would it be administered? The FWS administers the duck stamp program as they do the PR program. However, the management responsibility or jurisdiction of the FWS is migratory wildlife and threatened/endangered wildlife. Other wildlife, such as unlisted upland game, is the responsibility of the states. If the FWS starts to acquire priority upland habitat, then do they inherit the responsibility of managing it? Upland species thrive in ephemeral habitats - that means habitats that are temporary unless they are managed. Without management these lands will lose their ability tom support upland species. Or, is the idea to model the federal upland stamp after the Pittman Robertson Program and redistribute the money back to the states? I don't want to say that is not possible, but there are some issues. Each state would have to amend their assent laws to protect these funds from sweeping by the Legislature. Does New jersey get the same amount of money as Kansas - how will the distribution be handled? A lot to iron out..... Not saying to give up on a federal upland stamp, it intrigues me too. But in the meantime maybe start a chapter. I suggested to Bill Smidt he sarts a NWTF chapter. Maybe you can start a RGS or AW chapter. I heard that it can take many years of holding fund raising banquets before any revenue is generated and that chapter success depends on sticking with it. I heard some guys hold one or two banquets and give up.... It is my understanding it takes some time (years) and effort to get corporate sponsors to donate guns and other prizes and also time to get people involved....

Never saw a bill this long..... https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2647/text

When NGOs partner with GOs, ie. the RGS and the DEC; the NGO puts up donor money, the GO puts up license revenue plus PR grants. Not unheard of for NGOs to get public grants, but they do not get license revenue. I cant see congress creating a mandatory federal stamp which distributes the revenue generated to private organizations. This is part of what I meant by the proposals have not been good. The people pushing for the stamp seem a little confused or I haven't been paying enough attention to them, which is very likely too I am busy and got my own agenda. Generally, NGOs raise their own private money, do their own fundraising. Sometimes they leverage their funds with public grants and/or otherwise partner with GOs. Other times they do their own conservation projects without any public agencies as partners... If you are confused, I tell you so am I.... Just what are the proponents of a federal upland stamp proposing?

Ducks Unlimited and the Federal Duck Stamp have started about the same time. Since then, Ducks Unlimited actually has conserved slightly more wetland acreage than the federal government. Upland organizations certainly use donor's money wisely and are indeed conserving a significant amount of upland habitat. I can see an upland stamp being viable in the future, but have not seen good proposals so far. I don't know if you realize it, but phrasing your question: "Anyone else willing to pay $25 extra bucks to get skunked all season"? is a leading question, a misleading question at that......

It might be better for you to describe how hunting was back in the day? That might facilitate the conversation.

Well, even in semi arid areas, whats worse, grazing or crops. Of course crops are worse. Eating what is there and what is locally adapted is best that means hunting, but the human population is too big we would eat everything up without agriculture. However, eating some wild game helps. Some hunters eat very little grocery meat, that would include me and my wife, so trust me , we are not alone and it is not very uncommon. By hunting for food or supplementing your diet by game obtained by hunting you are reducing your carbon footprint and your water draw.... Even compared to eating vegan style. There is your argument.....

Nah, I am just paraphrasing the FWS's statement about wolf delisting - that further recovery is not possible B/C of social tolerance... I have no opinion about transplanting animals and havent read much about it, so IDK.... Will domestic goats eat those?

Instead of listing the sage grouse under the endangered species act, the fish and wildlife service is using what is known as a "Candidate Conservation Agreement With Assurances". A listing under the ESA would have created hurdles for the energy industry operating on the western plains, and perhaps ranchers. The Candidate Conservation Agreement With Assurances also creates hurdles, but is preferred by industry because from a business perspective it is believed that dealing with the known is cheaper than dealing with the unknown. The advantage to them is they know what the costs are so there is less uncertainty. It does all that, while formalizing the work to be done in a conservation action with partners and binds them to the deal. That is much better than Congress's proposal to delay listing under the ESA for ten years.... Unless these corporate partners go out and beyond what is required, I wouldn't be impressed by any grandstanding done to bond with the hunting community, because eventually a court order would have been issued for compliance with the law.

I am trying to figure out what thoughts and comments you are soliciting, because the article is pretty cut and dry. These organizations have the same credibility challenges as do state agencies such as the DEC, although they don't suffer the politics or the fractious nature of hunters and other members of the public with different passions and ideologies. I disagree with the author that two hunters disagreeing on a setter or a pointer or 12 gauge versus 20 gauge, is fractious in the context that it effects contribution to conservation organizations, thats ridiculous. Most hunters are not connected to the land so they don't understand what is going on with natural systems. On top of that , generally speaking hunters, for a variety of reasons that differ person to person, do not readily respond to educational outreach, therefore they do not readily learn about natural systems. Then the phenomena of " memes" is a serious problem plaguing the hunting community. ... A "meme" is an idea that spreads person to person within a culture. Memes are plentiful, persistent, and prolific in the hunting culture.... And a good number just do not care. They are not interesting in sustaining a species or the tradition of hunting it. Their attitude toward hunting is so casual that they figure if hunting is no longer viable, they just will find something else to do. I am not suggesting that it is impossible or impractical to build these organizations. However, it is hard work and success rate is very low compared to effort. One thing that is likely to get lost in both the article and our discussion here, is that these organizations are extremely effective at their current funding levels. These are not organizations that should be considered small potatoes. The main idea of the article I am understanding, is that relative few hunters are supporting these NGOs and the potential to do much more exists. No argument with that....

you know the answer, the social tolerance prevents that, just like more wolves. I am not sure of the veracity of the article but i think they are saying extinct not extirped,,,, even if another race could be introduced,,,, still lost the eastern per the writer...

You have to look at the ongoing drought right now. Native wildlife will persist with natural or even aggravated drought cycles. This resource is protein out there drought or not. Everything we grow or raise consumes water.... Its like back to basics. May not be enough native wildlife to feed the county - cause we ourselves are overpopulated, but the concept holds.... Plus, it takes less water to raise a pound of beef protein than veggie protein.. A lot of wholes in the veggie argument. Even the carbon argument they make is far from dead on....

Heads up on that one though.... The rebuttal is evolving fast. The antis response to the food argument is that some cultures eat dogs, cats, and even other humans..... You tube can be the hunter's friend or enemy and there are many videos that do not bode well for us showing people outside the US eating live crustaceans and other cultural customs that are a hard sell....

Holy snow goose you and I actually agree about something.... But that is a large part of my point. I welcome a moose season and a few dollars it will add to the conservation fund. But these sort of things get a disproportionate amount of attention from both the Legislature AND the hunting community. I will tell you what, if this passes, and the lottery is not an arm and a leg, me and my wife will both fill tags, and I will post it, just to take the opportunity to kill two moose away from two rich, arrogant SOBs... And, if we can only fit the meat or the antlers into my full size ram - it is the antlers that gets left behind, not the meat...... My dogs dont need chew toys that bad, I will leave the antlers for the coyotes, squirrels and mice....

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/17/eastern-cougar-extinct-no-longer-needs-protection-says-us-conservation-agency

Last week I posted a list of DEC meetings, including a webinar, they are holding on climate issues. I received notice they have added another meeting and I wish to pass this notice on to anyone who might be interested in these meetings. Below. DEC Announces Additional Sea-level Rise Projection Meeting Public Comments to Help Develop Regulation The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced a fifth information and listening meeting to provide the public with opportunity to comment on projections of future sea-level rise. This meeting, which will be in addition to four meetings announced previously by DEC, is scheduled for 4 p.m., Wednesday, June 24, at the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge, Broad Channel, Queens. Directions are available at the New York Harbor Parks website. DEC is developing a regulation to adopt state sea-level rise projections as required by the state's Community Risk and Resiliency Act. Additional information on this law and the sea-level rise projection regulation, and the full meeting schedule are available on DEC's website.

You communicate like a child, a spoiled one at that. I will address your trademark ad-hominid arguments first - this time directed at me. I don't envy anyone. They disgust me, as do bigots.... I have experience with both, bigots who carry on with their annoying and worthless drivel nobody really cares about..... And the rich. As a matter of fact I worked as a hunting guide for operations catering to these people, Lets just say they have more bucks than brains..... Second, why are you telling me I should do a net search? Since you know everything that's wrong with the world, and its people, why don't YOU do a net search and report back on here as to why the SCI received $50,000 in public funds from the NY state legislature? It is not common for an SCI member to pay that much for tags or even one tag, why do they need public money, even if it is to do public service as you suggested? And I doubt it was a conservation activity as you surmise. Give us some public money and we will get some conservation done..... You do a net search instead of broadcasting your opinions just one time maybe.... You are not connecting the dots, as usual. The auctioning of tags done by the SCI which is apparently allowed by some foreign governments is not in contention. The point is, that this is already done with moose permits in a New England state and possibly elsewhere in the US for elk or goat tags or whatever. An auction which is different than a lottery, puts someone with money at a greater advantage in obtaining a tag. I think that advantage is very appealing to the SCI and would not be surprised if they would endorse such a policy in NY. I wont waste my time getting into the fine points about all the reasons auctioning tags is wrong, that type of philosophy doesn't reach you and I think others can figure it out.

First, what is this all about: " in 2007 the NY Legislature earmarked $50,000 of public funds for the SCI"? Someone said they were a member of the SCI I thought, they should know about these auctions, As I said, I do not know much more than that they exist. One state, I do not remember which, sets aside three of the allotted permits and auctions them. Actually an organization does the auctioning, Reportedly, the state does get the money. The SCI is known for auctioning tags for things like rhinos. I dont know how they buy the tags from foreign countries and the specifics about transferring them, I just am aware this practice takes place. If NY implemented such an auction, anyone with a lot of money would have an advantage to drawing a tag.It would probably between themselves and another SCI member. They would have another option to the lottery draw, and one or more permits would be taken out of the available pool. Is that going to happen, I do not know. Are there people in this state with political connections who would like to see that happen, apparently yes....