Four Season Whitetail's

Nice..I could go back a nit-pick auctions and show you a doe that sold for $250,000 means nothing...High fence is in about every state in the country and every state demands that kind of money. Dairy cattle, Not so much. 150in yearling will bring you 3 grand all day,every day in Ny. Try that with beef or Dairy. 12 months old. Regardless, I see you dont have any other explanation for the lack of interest on the other CWD home fronts!

Come on Culv...Its a business.. Really 20 grand hunts as a write off. You damn well know as i do that if there was any way at all for Ny state to make money on it they would be all over it. So i would like to ask you your thoughts then on just why CWD is not fought on all fronts? If its not money. You think think they would shut down ag in every CWD state? Its a proven spreader of CWD. You think they would shut down Non-resident hunting? Its a proven spreader of CWD. It very well is all about cash....Cant seem to get any answers on those questions. And we know why!

Not even close...If i sold 23 bucks to Joe high fence ranch up the road and he had 23 Ny state hunter come in and harvests those deer the state just lost about $2300 in tag sales. Most Ny ranches have 50 plus hunts a year and if you do the math by the number of high fence ranches in the state you will see how much just Ny loses a year. Now go to Pa where there are 500 plus ranches and do the math.

Sam sometimes you shock me. You may want to do some research before you jump to deep. I have cattle, i know what cattle are worth and if you can show me a market like i can show you then we can talk. Do you know anything about the CWD prion at all? Do you think infected corn or alfalfa has to be ate by an animal before it becomes infectious? You dont think that infected corn brought all across the country, laying,rotting into the ground is not laying the prions in that ground to be picked up or spread at a letter date? Really? You really do need to do some research my friend. Do you know how it works on a deer farm when they check for CWD? Let me fill you in. They come to your farm, They rip the lower jaw back on the dead deer and cut out the brain stem, They put it in a solution and they leave. Now when the farmer says...Uh what are you going to do with the body of this deer? They say..Thats your problem, do with it what you will,take it out to the back forty or wherever you like!! So it takes 2 weeks plus before you get a report back from the state, lets say its positive for CWD. Now that deer has been ate by every coyote,every crow any animal that eats meat and has rotted into that ground. Where do you think CWD just got spread to? Everywhere every one of those animals takes their next crap and all over the ground where it rotted. Just like the feed did that gets sold out of every CWD positive state in the country!! So lets now say for a second you are right. CWD is CWD no matter how you look at it. If its the big bad monster they say it was going to be why are they not stopping EVERY possible way it can be spread? Is the CWD prion found in hay and grains not the same CWD prion found in whitetail deer? Why are they not shutting down every state that has had a positive to out of state hunters so there are no dead deer coming out of those states? Is that not the same CWD prion? Sorry buddy but you have no answer except 1 and that is the all mighty dollar that would be lost to the states. If you have a better answer why only one vector is being looked at feel free to tell us all your thoughts!

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CASH! Plain and simple. They know what we make. They see our 80 breeding animals bring 3 million at our auctions.They see we have 6-8 auctions a year that bring in 2-5 million in sale every year that goes to the high fence industry. They see the average guy with a small 4 acre farm making an extra 50 plus grand a year as a hobby. They see we have the fastest growing industry in the ag business. Believe it or not, I have had 8 calls so far this winter from folks wanting info on startup details and 3 of those folks are off these forums. Doc, You are a smart man. If you can answer any off the Questions above please have at it. Why are they trying to stop CWD only on the deer farm front? Its in the soil. They dont stop anything there, Its in Corn and Alfalfa, They dont stop sales, They say THEY have a LIVE test for them to repopulate their states with Elk but in the same breath say they have to close the borders to deer farmers moving elk and deer because there is no test good enough and they have to be Dead to test. This is all being done at state levels. If you look at the USDA federal standards on deer farms and see what rules they made for farms you will see that Patty Klein( Who was hired to run this and she comes right off the animal activist leader board, Talk about a fox in the hen house) wrote in the standards that states cane make their own rules above and beyond the federal standards. USDA rules are no where near state rules and this was done to give power to the states to force out farms. Hence Ny closing their borders. Who closed Ny borders? Joe Martens, Who is he? DEC leader. What does deer farms and high fence take from him? Cash! Plain and simple. I really would like to hear your thoughts on the above questions about why nothing is being done on any other CWD front? We all know CWD has proven itself to do absolutely nothing to any herds anywhere in the country. But i will say for the record for all to remember...You watch how fast CWD becomes a thing of the past if Canada signs these papers saying they will no longer buy hay or grains out of CWD positive states!!! Cash! Plain and Simple!

Good point Terry my friend..So lets look at some truths from the one side i know.... You tell me that its not one sided to shut states down from selling live deer because off CWD yet those same states allow live cervids( Elk) into those states because they say they have a live test that they can use? Then they say the borders have to be shut to farmers because there are no live test to test for CWD and they have to be dead to test? Is that one sided? They say they want to stop CWD yet i can by possible CWD prion positive whole corn in Watertown Ny that was harvested and sold from a CWD positive state. Whats the thought there? Bale after bale of Alfalfa hay, That has shown CWD positive prions, are sold by the tons to feed animals all across the country. Is this trying to stop CWD? They release Elk out of the encloser at Wind Cave National Park that has a herd behind the fence that has a proven 40% positive CWD infection rate of those animals, to be hunted by hunters and to breed and mingle with the wild deer and elk in that state. Is this trying to stop CWD. Ny and Michigan both had CWD come to their states by way of animals that belonged to taxidermists that had animals behind fence that were used for research for their business. These taxidermist worked on animal after animal that came from CWD positive states. Do you see states stopping all out of state non resident hunting tags? Would this not go to stop the spread of CWD? I could go on and on with so many things that states could do to help stop the spread of CWD but you hear nothing of them except stopping deer farms so please spare me the bullshit of being extremists or me not having anything credible to say when i show the one sided work against CWD by way of only the deer farmer. You talk about profits, Well profits are just the big reason that CWD became a political disease. If you dont see how many states are spreading and taking chances of spreading CWD at their own hands then you are blind. You read any write up by groups like QDMA or this Ryan Sablaw guy and you will see one paragraph about CWD and then you will see 6 on how hunters are paying big money to shoot these big antlered deer. Read them. They are out there all over. Our industry is the fastest growing agriculture industry in the country and millions of dollars are being made by many. You dont think states DEC/DNR's see this. Think again. CWD has nothing to do with the disease,which is being shown by state after state by their own actions But CWD is all about the money. They use CWD against farms because farms do it right and they test 100% of their deaths and states test less than a half percent of their animals. There are a handful of states that have CWD yet never had a deer farm in those states. There are states that have CWD in the wild and never had it behind wire. But somehow it because of farms that all these states have CWD! Must be right? Because they sure are not fighting CWD on any other front! So agendas on our side as you say..We do not need agendas because deer farming and high fence hunting is growing in leaps and bounds even with CWD. We are paying for the truth!!

Yeah whatever...Live deer movement sticks out the farthest on your agenda just like the rest. If you and the rest were really worried about CWD you would be shouting at all vectors to be stopped on the dime but no its only deer farms that get pointed at and most no why. It will all be a mute point here in the very near future because the truths on CWD will be shown. As far as your two faced leaders go...You know, the ones that own high fence farms and hunting ranches but keep that on the down low...you can link yourself to about any talk they say on CWD and hear the agenda. Its pretty simple if one listens without their own agenda.

By the time..Next Time..comes around it will be to late to reverse the carnage from the..Last Time.

Its pretty easy to do the math....We test 100% of or deer. States test 500 to 2000 out of a million plus animals. Whats that like a half of one percent maybe. Regardless if it was in the ground,air,feed..who do you think will find it first? Not a real tough one there. You like to spout of about deer farms spreading the crap but then when states like Virginia that have it yet allow no farming or states like illinios that has had over 450 cases in the wild but never a case in the 100's of deer farms in that state you have no answers. Facts are that CWD has done absolutely nothing by way of harming any animals or humans and it has been shown that herds grow in population even when CWD comes to town. You prove yourself to be in the QDMA mindset that you do or say nothing against CWD except where deer farms are concerned. You dont say stop CWD by every means possible like stopping all nonresident hunting in states that have CWD, Stop all hay and grain harvests/sales of those products from CWD positive states and the list goes on. Live deer movement is it and that proves just what the real deal is right there and thats what being brought to the table in 2015. It will be interesting to see how the QDMA responds when they get their day to speak. Cant wait to see that day. We shall see i guess!

So True. And CWD is the only thing a few sorry groups or a few states DEC/DNR's have to use to try and slow down the huge growth of high fence hunting and deer farming. Anybody in the know or that wants to look at the truths and facts can see it plain as day. CWD has never done any harm on any deer populations in the wild or behind fence. When a states population actually grows after CWD comes to town its kinda hard to use the killing of animals as an excuse. Hence the release of Elk out of Wind Cave because they populated to much to hold them inside the fence or now these states repopulating their states with Elk from untested herds. The list is long!

All one has to do is listen to Murphy speak. Have heard him say many times that once a state gets CWD it will sooner or later wipe out a herd. Thats far from true. There has never been a known case of a deer dead from CWD. Always a bullet or bumper first. CWD is not a legitimate concern because it has done absolutely nothing to any herds, any where! A state get CWD and their population grows! So lets me see...It does nothing to a herd...It does nothing to man...Just what pray tell does CWD do?????? The farming industries are paying big bucks to show solid proof that CWD is coming from the land and other reasons before it its high fence deer. When that day comes, guys like yourself, and a few groups will be eating your words and a few will even be called upon to do so in public. Like i said. 2015 will be an interesting year on the CWD front. So please tell me what the state of illinois is doing to stop the spread of CWD from their wild deer from getting into high fence farms ad ranches? 470 cases of CWD in the wilds of that state and NEVER,EVER a case behind fence. Again your statement holds no water!

You got that right. Here we just get to the point of sitting the edge of a creek bottom that runs through the farm with 300ac of beans on one side and 300ac of corn on the other and just sky bust them. Almost a waste of time. Young hunter have a blast and are amazed at the numbers of birds.

Up here on the farm we were banging 50 a day in the early season also. They say local birds but we never see any decrease in flight patterns or numbers. We have 1000 birds on 700 acres of bean and corn fields and can only harvest 3 a day? Crazy! Yet they tell you to knock the snot out of the snows when there are just as many Canada's!

The higher the deer population the more likely rifles to be open for deer. If hunters are not killing enough with shotguns they give them rifles. Maybe???

Its been said by many on the QDMA website and the fearless leader has said it in many of his speakings. I would bet more deer were hit on the Ny state thruway this fall than have ever died of CWD. I know of none that have ever been killed by CWD, always a bullet or bumper and then found positive. The 100's of thousands spoke of was meant for states like our own that are trying to slow down the deer population. States with heavy CWD are over populated and some states without heavy or no CWD are way down on numbers. Kinda backwards from what they said a disease was going to do to states once detected? Just strange states and groups that make their living off of deer are not throwing cash to find a fix. Well, Maybe they know nothing is broke so they are savin the cash????

Oh i am with ya on the prions jumping but seeing that CWD in deer is the same prion as Scrapies in sheep...Seeing though thats how this all started 60 years ago when deer were put in a tested sheep pen...If it was going to jump it would have done so eons ago. CWD is being used by states DEC/DNR to try and slow the growth of high fence, plain and simple. Groups like QDMA jumped on the band wagon for what they believe in. Problem is, now this has all backfired on them. Millions of dollars have been spent for years on research.....Which is so funny now that Ny has found even a little positive now no money comes forward..HHMMMM?..and millions have been paid to deer farmers and millions have been spent on old deer farms just to lock them down for 5 years. For What Reason? The same CWD is being cut in hay and harvested in corn and sold all across the country from Wis,Iowa and on and on. Kinda stupid to spend millions of taxpayers money to stop it one place only to let it spread in others dont ya think? Do you realize that you can buy whole kernel corn at your local Tractor Supply that was harvested in a proven CWD hot zone county that has also been found to carry the CWD prion? You could feed infected corn to your animals and not even know it. Do you think that is states trying to stop the spread of CWD? It never was about what alot of folks think they know what it was about. The truths are now starting to be shown and big money is fighting back to show the truths. 2015 will be an interesting year on the CWD front...

Sam, Please..You are smarter than this and this really does nothing to help your stats. CWD itself has proven just what its not. You should go over to the QDMA and Habitat websites and listen to the boys that live in states that they say are in the CWD hotzone....They now have to kill more does to keep the population down and are still killing record book bucks every year. Yup thats a killer. Or maybe Wind Cave where they have a CWD positive rate of 50% yet they still use helicopters to release Elk out of the fence because the Elk are over populated inside! Yup thats a killer. Or maybe these states that are taking untested Elk out of CWD positive states and repopulating their state with these untested animals.Yup that sounds like they think CWD is a killer See what i mean that your statement does nothing to help show your knowledge on any disease or what its doing! Research my friend! The truth is out there and will continue to be shown!

Man..I agree with that statement but you need to get real here. For freakin years they..Govt,States,QDMA,NRA and some many others have been blowing smoke up our keesters with their lies and agendas that CWD was going to wipe out the herds and blah,blah,blah and now there is a positive,regardless of how small, to maybe beat or even slow down this crap yet nobody steps up with funding? Yeah i guess so! They will throw 100's of thousands at deer for birth control? This will just show more of the truths that many already know and its going to expose those with the lies and agendas. I guess we will just sit back and see what 2015 shows us. You know, like the 60th year this stuff thats going to kill all the deer has been around.

LOL..No you are gettin to high tech... a trip into the woods at midnight is plenty.

Or just plant it now in another county on land you dont own.lol This way you can keep the 200 grand and still make out well.

Nope advice on how to make as a hobby what most dont make at their job is free. I guess on your other remarks we all can see what you are lacking. Sorry bub...Life was not very fair for ya. BAHAHAHA

If he was smart he would. Not sure if he could do the mullet thing but atleast he could make his money back in the first couple years.

I agree. Although i did not mention size,sex or antler score in my response it does take a little something special to float my boat. To beat just any deer is not really satisfaction for some in the stage they ate in of their hunting lives. Now to match wits with a mature deer,one on one on its turf is something special on its own. The antlers only gives you a vision to look at so you know you are dealing with the same animal. But in this case it would have to be male,mature and the more bone the better. I mean if i see say 3 mature bucks on a piece of ground i would have to go after the highest scoring one but cant say i would let one of the other 2 walk if they happened by as i was after the biggest one. Its nice that we all have a choice.

So i guess he was one of the unlucky in Jefferson County... Just an FYI...His birds from his farm released on a farm up in Watson in Lewis County. Yes the joke was on him and the birds they relocated at his expense. On a good note though..with this winter like it has been and the 100 plus birds on the farm, it will be a great spring season again.