Four Season Whitetail's

So true and just think, some of those states are top book buck producing states and some i believe can run deer with dogs. If that does not run the gamut?

So another case found in the wild deer and found this post from a QDMA member interesting. The QDMA say they want deer farms done away with to save the spread of a disease yet they still support one of the biggest ways CWD moves across the landscape. Double standards or just an excuse? QDMA Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Traverse City, MIchigan Posts: 1,068 The deer in question was a 3.5 year old buck. According to the biologist in charge of Missouri's CWD eradication program, they assume that this buck dispersed from the CWD core area in Macon Co. as a yearling. Harvest location was approx. 25 miles form the core CWD area. The primary reason that the MDC rescinded the APR's in the CWD containment zone was to decrease yearling dispersal. It's likely, however, that many hunters in that area ignore the potentially negative impact of advancing the buck age structure and continue to pass on younger bucks. This situation highlights the fact that in areas where communicable diseases like CWD and Bovine Tuberculosis are prevalent in free ranging deer, that hammering younger bucks is the sound and biologically correct practice to try and mitigate the spread of disease. It's unfortunate that QDMA is not focusing as much on the potential for hunter practices causing CWD to spread among free ranging deer, as they are about risk mitigation issues related to captive cervids. As recently as last year, QDMA was still promoting and endorsing the implementation of mandatory APR's in areas where communicable disease is known to exist.

Man does this ever show some truths! This is not the only time,only post or only topic. Just the first time someone took the time to post the fact .

I dont believe it because we are all hunters and we all know what its like out there. There is plenty of time to shoot after legal time but it also comes a time when its dark. A half hour after sunset, its dark.so you cant see a deer most times anyways. My point is that its been complained about on here and has been going on for years and Ny still has a great safety record. By the sounds of shots where i hunt down in the southern zone there are an awful lot of people making their own times and nobody has been shot?

How can a better statement than this be made. Some of us had this pointed out years ago and have since decide what,where,when and if to abide by the so called laws that are best for us. In this state? A Joke. Go south where a cop will tell you to carry a gun to protect yourself because he says....He May Not Be There To Protect YOU! And thats only 1 law.

Well not really i guess..Just that 12pt and a couple does so far, If the muzzleloader barks this week maybe. . Kinda forgot about the whole thing really and posted pic of buck without the card but depends how the powers that be rule it i guess. If i were to win i would donate it to the next youth in line behind Joe.

Judgement call most days as some are brighter than others but still with all the so called law breakers out there doing their thing by shooting early and we still have such a good safe record in Ny?

On this whitetail challenge, We have until the end of the season to put up all the pic's correct?

In the real world if the law was 30 before and after a person could not push it any further because it would be freakin dark out. We carry a pretty safe record here in Ny and as you can see from just this little group, most already go by their own time limit....And we still have that same good safe record!!!

LOL..now add in you dragging a deer out of the woods to your story. Blood seems to make the yip's feel a bit closer!

Yup but more than likely they have been doing it for years. They got caught ONCE and paid a little 3-500 hundred dollar fine. Then right back at it the next ear. I saw an out of season,at night, from the road and it was only 800 bucks for a fine. Petty cash really for a fine!

Sure can...Heck i have seen them used on spike bucks that ran into trees just before being shot. Strange how bucks sometimes get made to fit a DMP.

The old saying that 10% of the hunters kill all the deer holds true. I have deer around me all the time and i have people on the land with me that only see a few. Just because your dad has a tag does not mean he will kill a buck and if you kill it for him that is one more that would not have been harvested. Now times that by the hundreds of hunters that do just this every year and you will see how many bucks may have lived to see their next birthday!

Burlington Man Accused of Importing Deer From a Chronic Wasting Disease Endemic Area BURLINGTON, Vt. - A Burlington man is accused of importing deer from a chronic wasting disease (CWD) endemic area. A press release says during a multi-year investigation, Alan Baker imported a deer from a New York captive hunt facility. Vermont Fish & Wildlife Game Wardens obtained evidence of four deer being imported from Lowlands Whitetails Hunting Ranch in Lowville, N.Y. Baker is charged with three counts of importing deer from a Chronic Wasting Disease endemic area and captive hunt facility. If convicted, Baker faces a maximum fine of $1,000 for each count with five points charged against the offender's privilege to hunt, fish, and trap. Baker could also lose his hunting, fishing, and trapping privileges for two years upon conviction. The Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department says CWD is a fatal disease of the brain and nervous system in deer and elk. Imported deer or elk with CWD require special processing. Vermont's CWD regulation applies to hunters bringing in deer or elk carcasses from the following states and provinces: Alberta, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Saskatchewan, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

I believe 5 and 6 would be the biggest problem in your area. The yote thing will kill your deer hunting for sure but if there were to many you would not be seeing small deer thats for sure. We had great numbers on our land in 6G,8M and 8H. There are so many things that can effect numbers and by having enough land to do your management, Not Ny states management hels big time. I will also say that i drive between Watertown and Mt Morris about every Fri-Sun and i have never seen so many dead deer on the Thruway and #390. 1.Ny's piss poor Mgmt 2 Ny's to long of gun season 3 Ny's failure to have 1 buck a year 4 Ny's failure to have deer harvest check in. 5 Ny failure to have unused tag mail back in.

I believe that buck is no longer able to be scored for any book. Broken skull cap would take him out.

And some thought cutting a tree a tree stand was in was bad! All kinds out there!

Mike, I agree with your post for the most part. The part you read into my thoughts is that..I think birds and deer industries are the same..Thats where your wrong. The point i made of the two was the killing of hand reared,human raised living, breathing things. People have no problem killing one anywhere and calling it a good time but to kill the other and thats a massive sin. Another part you dont understand is that once fence goes up they are now farmed cervids and ran by the Dept of Ag. Who does all the testings for Tb,CWD and i believe and bird disease even? Dept of Ag. Why are farmers paid for their deer when they get hit by EHD on farms? Ag.... Why do i have to fill out a a form every year to the USDA as to the number of livestock i have? Ag Why a deer farms a money spending, tax paying business? Ag... Yes i am very happ with our war and have spent alot for its support. When you have states that say..They want Elk brought in for stocking and they say they can use an anal swab to tell YOU they dont have CWD. But they tell ME my Elk and Deer have to be DEAD to be tested, Well thats your Div of Wildlife at work and that my friend is a crock of sh!t and is the very reason you see me fight toot and nail with anyone,anywhere on the deer farming matter. The truth is that its all political and their is a threat to groups like QDMA and such for a change in hunting from years past and the DEC/DNR because we are pulling some many hunters and so much money out of their coffers that they cant stand it. You know something can only be a success if there is support and as you can see by the success we have...We have support!

Use them all you can. A very nice 8pt has shown up on the farm up here and he has been with bigger doe fawns all 3 times he has been seen. Any doe fawns big enough and any doe that did not breed their first cycle will be coming in now!

Point being that you say your birds are not human raised,hand fed because you only feed them every 5 days. Well surely my animals cant be human raised, hand fed because i fill feeders every 7 days.

So here is what they say the state rules are and what they live by. Could reintroduced elk transmit diseases to domestic livestock and native wildlife?Livestock and wildlife health is critically important to us. We are working very closely with the Missouri Department of Agriculture and State Veterinarian on stringent animal-health protocols to prevent the importation of diseased elk. Our disease protocols for elk restoration are more stringent than any existing disease protocols for livestock or privately imported elk and deer. We are also working with other states that have successfully restored elk and have used what they have learned to develop our elk restoration plan that is based on research and sound science by wildlife experts. According the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, no elk reintroduction program in which the RMEF has participated has resulted in spreading disease. We will be working with the RMEF on our elk restoration to southeast Missouri. As is the case with all wild and domestic animals, elk can serve as hosts for a variety of diseases and parasites. The potential for disease has been minimized in other states where elk restoration has occurred by following strict health protocols and guidelines. As a result, no disease transmission from reintroduced elk to livestock or wildlife has been reported or documented. Since 2000, there has been significant progress made in our understanding of chronic wasting disease (CWD), including a live-animal test for elk. Our extensive animal health protocols include testing all elk for chronic wasting disease. Elk relocated into Missouri for the purposes of the elk restoration originate from a CWD-free state and from herds with a history of health surveillance and no evidence of health issues. Imported elk are tested for CWD, brucellosis, blue tongue, anaplasmosis, epizootic hemorrhagic disease, vesicular stomatitis, Johne's disease and bovine tuberculosis prior to shipment to Missouri. The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services states that there is no evidence that CWD can infect people. The Missouri Department of Agriculture states that current research shows there is no evidence that CWD can spread from infected deer or elk to livestock, such as sheep or cattle And now this is what they say about a deer farm or ranch in that state. Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last week dealt a blow to the deer breeding and fenced hunting industry in what's being called a bellwether case in the national debate over how to regulate a practice linked to the spread of disease. Nixon vetoed legislation that would have transferred oversight of the state's deer breeders from wildlife officials to Missouri's agriculture department. "White-tailed deer are wildlife, and they are also a game animal," Nixon wrote in his veto message. "Putting them behind a fence does not change that fact." That's the same argument made by Indiana wildlife officials who tried to shut down the state's high-fence hunting operations a decade ago. And it's expected to be part of the debate when Indiana lawmakers convene a summer study session on the subject in the coming weeks. Wildlife advocates and deer breeders across the country — including those running Indiana's 400 deer farms — have been watching the battle play out in Missouri. Operators of fenced-hunting ranches want to be regulated by agricultural officials to avoid tighter rules proposed by wildlife agencies. Many state wildlife agencies are concerned about the risk of spreading disease, especially the always fatal deer ailment known as chronic wasting disease, as deer are shipped across state lines to be killed in the private preserves. Those risks were ­uncovered this spring in an Indianapolis Star investigation that some wildlife researchers called the most comprehensive examination of the issues surrounding deer farming and high-fence hunting to date. Chronic wasting disease, a brain disorder similar to mad cow, has been found in wild and farmed deer in 22 states. The Star's investigation revealed that in half of those states, CWD was found first in a commercial deer operation. There is no live test for the disease, and wildlife officials across the country say escapes are common. Because of such risks, 21 states have banned the importation of captive deer, saying they have been known to infect wild herds. Six members of Congress, citing The Star's investigation, urged federal agricultural officials to ban the interstate movement of captive deer, saying a national industry, which breeds bucks with large antlers to be shot in "canned" hunts, isn't worth the disease risks. In Indiana, Senate President Pro Tempore David Long called for a study session, saying he would be willing to consider closing the state's borders to deer imports. The session could start between the end of July and September. In the wake of Nixon's veto, wildlife advocates are waiting to see how the industry reacts and how aggressively it will push Missouri lawmakers to override it. They're also waiting to see if the industry's hiring of a public relations firm known for fighting tobacco bans, animal rights activists and fast-food calorie labels will be able to shape the debate, both in Missouri and in other states, including Indiana So you read these 2 different writings from the same state and tell me this is not bullsh!t double standards. If anyone on this site reading these words cant see what they are doing and their agendas, then you really are a sorry bunch. The only test for CWD that a farm can use for deer or elk is a dead brain stem and lymph nodes. BUT the states say they can find the same CWD by using a anal swab or tonsil swab!!!!!!!!!!! Please.Please tell me how this is right and not just Govt trying to shut down their biggest threat using double standards and a disease, That They Know Is Not Killing Animals...to try and shut down the common man. This is the rules for every state!

As of now i dont think they would know a crazy has guns but the ones that have permits and are now a little off have paperwork on file. I would guess thats how they are doing it.

I believe this is only the tip of what a hunter would do to another hunter in the name of hunting. I think the boundry is wide when it comes to this.

Ahh Yeah.....Why would we want the DEC or DNR of states over seeing or animals. When the fence goes up the are now called farmed cervid livestock and that is controlled by the Dept of Ag just like any other livestock. Why do you think when our deer get hit with EHD on a farm we get paid by the state for a part of their value or if CWD hits we get paid by our state? Why would you want something that cant even live with their own rules running you business? Point being these states that are bringing Elk into their states for hunters. These same states say that they dont want deer farmers bringing deer into their state even from 10 year CWD tested farms, Yet they bring in UNTESTED Elk into that state to release out into the wilds for the public to hunt. Yeah i guess so!

Right!!! So let me get this right... My animal. My property, My care. But they support this.... 5. Support state and provincial wildlife agencies as the primary regulatory authority over native North American ungulates, including those confined by high fences. State and provincial wildlife agencies should work cooperatively with other state, provincial, and federal agricultural, wildlife, and health agencies as well as hunting groups, conservation organizations, private landowners, and managers to reduce the potential for problems such as disease transmission and genetic exchange among native wildlife and exotic species. But they put forth nothing to any part of this animal but put that on the owner, as this... 11. Oppose the use of funds generated from traditional sources (recreational licenses, tags, and other fees) for confined-ungulate inspections and regulatory programs. I believe not. My animal. My property..I will be the one under control and decisions of what happens to something that belongs to ME!