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I recall one cold morning about 10 AM lowering my bow and just as my feet hit the first rung of the ladder I heard something. I look back and its a doe on the hedge row 100 yards out. I scamper down, because I dropped the rope of course, grab the rope and pull it up. As I do a small buck runs off. I was in the corner of a overgrown field so I could see a ways. I watch the doe and all of a sudden this monster 10 jumps out and wants nothing to do with the doe. He's looking up the hedge row and his ears are back. All of a sudden a brawl is happening 40 yards from me. Another huge 9 and that 10 are fighting big! I drew 3 times and could not find a good shot. While this is happening a small 6 mounts that doe. She's clearly hot... The bucks fought for what seemed like 15 minutes. The 9 won and chased off the other big boy. Most of the fight was with the butt of one facing me. and when he was done chasing off that other buck I watched him urinate down his leg. He tore the ground up. It stunk... I could smell it. I waited an hour before I got down. I was walking out and bumped about 5-6 smaller bucks off the area and that doe was still around. Morale of story?? If there's hot doe around stay in your stand all day

We lost a great piece of property to the high price the owner could get from selling it. He had $30,000 in it (bought in 1993 and 1998), a group of myself and family had pitched in but it was in his name. Company goes bankrupt and he needs $$ to get out of a jam. He sold it for $275,000! Can't justify that price just to hunt deer guys. I got 2 140 and a 155 off that property, along with countless scrubbers.

My father in law built a cabin during the 60's , today we can sleep 30. Kinda weird being the "old guy" now but the main rules are: -the cook doesn't do dishes -the youngest 5 guys draw cards on the last day and the lowest card (s) get to knock down the piles in the outhouse and lime it for the off season (I've never had to do this although I was on the team that dug the hole behind it after 25 years of filling and made it a fresh hole).

I have a back pack that has the following in it: toilet paper, in a ziploc binoculars knives flashlight/ head lamp Bow holders, gun hook. safety strap and rope hand warmers GPS/ Compass - ALWAYS phone (s) radio and assorted other crap depending on where I'm going, like water, snacks, lunch, thermos, etc.

This is like Deja vu, all over again

Used to hunt in the hills of southern Ontario County near the Yates County border where there were hundreds of acres of corn. They would cut during gun season (actually they cut overnight at times) most of the time and if I woke in the dark and heard those cutters I was like a school kid... today will be a good day. They always cut from the east side to our side and our woods were first cover... got a lot of big boys sneaking out of that corn....

Why would you edit that?? You know that email alerts sent that out to those that follow?

so, in your judgement I lean to the left? Laughable. We don't know each other now do we? Hate is a very strong word but I won't change my opinion. Don't force your opinions don't my throat and judge me when I disagree. Over regulating deer hunting in a state that has varying deer populations is what will push a 35 year hunter to stay inside, this way you can all get those big trophy while dodging doe with your pick ups on the way to your tree stand.

Now don't be a member of the media and only use part of a quote. Here's what I said, "I don't judge anyone for why they hunt (and know you're not saying I did). Like religion or politics I hate when people believe that their way is the only way and preach it, and do so in a self-righteous , judgemental fashion. " By the way, I am a member of the media and I look for that kind of stuff.

"Trophy" hunters pay for tags just as much as meat hunters. As far as what "church" hunters belong to, there's not a real good break down is there? I don't judge anyone for why they hunt (and know you're not saying I did). Like religion or politics I hate when people believe that their way is the only way and preach it, and do so in a self-righteous , judgemental fashion. Many of us were around for party permits and such and we were OK by those rules. But when I am expected to identify a buck, and count points, measure inches, and such its just too much. I'm an older guy and still walk and by God, I know a buck when I see one and can shoot it as it gets up. That won't happen counting points. It happens when you sit in a stand and wait. As far as following the rules I don't agree with? They're changing the rules due to lobbying and that's politics, not herd management.

here we are, arguing religion and politics again. I do like the folks that want to distinguish between the "meat hunter" and the "trophy hunter" If you truly want to master hunting hunt a 4.5-5.5 year old doe. She doesn't ever get stupid cause she needs get breed. But that would make you a meat hunter. Or go up into the high tug hill or Adirondacks and find a 2.5 year old spike with 12 inch horns, ooops, can't shoot him.... when its the only buck I've seen up there in 3 years? C'mon. Hunting should be what you take out of it and television, with their advertisers are destroying the camaraderie that should be an integral part of the sport. It's gone folks, right now it's ME, ME ME, My and I.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. These "trophy" folks are well organized and loud. To me it's like arguing religion and politics. I have not shot a spike or 4 point in years, but as the season winds down and my freezer is empty.... I could, easily. I like the fact that I can hunt from 9/27 through the week before Christmas. I live within walking distance of the western boundary and 1.5 miles of the southern boundary of the northern tier. All I need is more land to hunt. I feel pretty strongly that these proposed restrictions will NOT add to my hunting experience.

After hunting in a spot like you describe for 12-15 years we decided that some of the hedgerow stands would be best if we enclosed them. We did 4 of them over a summer and had a hell of a time getting them stood up and steady. Since a few of us bow hunted we made sure that they could all be used effectively during bow season which meant they were bigger and had more opening than usual but we had great success from them. 5 years later the owner sold the land out from out from under us and the new owner, a farmer, wanted them out. I got the call a week after getting out of the hospital from a traumatic spine injury and not only did not of the towers get taken out I lost 5 metal stands. What I would say is we put ours in spots where we'd had stands for years. We just made them better :-)

One way that I use to get very deep onto state land before others is to ask a landowner with land adjacent for access, like a farmer. I asked a farmer for permission to park on the road and cut across his pasture to get back to a nice piece of state land and the guy was ecstatic that I would hunt deer. He literally had no huntable land during hunting season since he harvested everything and gladly let me get the jump on all the guys on state land.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/9186.htmlas well

You could get 7 J tags on 11/1 -5. No one who wanted one was turned down

I stand corrected- I grew up in Utica and thought it was north or Utica which would put it in Region 6 It';s actually SW of Utica Brown Rd runs through the Charles E Baker state Forest State Forest. . FURNMAN HILLS RD , which at one time had an archery place on it runs from 12 to Brown but Brown Rd not the line. That's not a bad area at all . Have not been there in years

Brookfield NY is not in 7M??

First, people never cease to amaze me as I go through this thread. If you're convicted of any violation or above in NY your name is a matter of public record UNLESS sealed by the judge. Those records are accessible for various levels of law enforcement. A conditional discharge is a conviction. A dismissal is not a conviction. Law enforcement officers need to be very careful about who and what they query in the system. My ONLY remedy against my deputy neighbor is my complaint that he's queried me, my family and any hunting friends without cause and he's paying the price. I'd also like to point out sometimes you're given a ticket you should not have been. Fight it, my buddy did, and it was dismissed outright because his story matched the deposition of the DEC officer and that try as he may, he could find no other violations in our party. To me there's a big difference in hunting violations: improperly tagged timing (close to sunset / sunrise) loaded gun leaning on tailgate, ATV tracking clearly mortally wounded animal on posted property Shooting on another's Too many shells/ wrong implement unlicensed untagged from/ across road/ within 500 feet in vehicle well after hours/ lights out of season These are my opinions and what I don't do is sit in judgement of others. I don't like to be around bandits during hunting season, they bring problems for everyone in the party. That's it boys and girls....

I have to decide if I am going to lease the land I hunt in 7M since my neighbor has decided to falsely file reports with the DEC, invade my privacy by running me and my family's DMV, pistol permit and criminal records (nothing there) and create problems for the locals I hunt with. For those that followed my other thread, the improperly tagged deer charge was dismissed. My buddy was given the ticket because the tag was attached to a doe's leg which we cut off when we skinned the deer. Since we have always been successful there, even in "bad" years, I'm not inclined to give it up just yet. During bow season the coyotes were terrible there and we saw 1 lone button buck, that's it for deer. We did see about 6-8 different coyotes. Once gun opened up we saw more deer and was able to get a buck and 2 doe off it. Typically my buddy and I each take bucks during bow and gun, plus doe, passing on many deer and that did not happen. Speaking with the neighbors, which we get along and hunt with there and at other places, we were not alone with the light deer sightings. My inclination at this point is that we will continue to lease it because frankly we've learned more and more about how the deer use it early and late, with some snow, with heavy snow. We have numerous stands that are trimmed out and figured out. Not sure I want to start over. What I should do is spend more time in the big woods of the Tug Hill. We have 388 acres up there and over 20,000 of state attached that is very lightly touched.

It appears that way. My first season hunting as a 22 year old former Marine I was at my father in laws cabin with his 13 friends from work. My brother in law and I were with a couple of guys on our trail when one pulled up. We saw the buck and he shot and the deer took off. He said, "damn, I missed" Not knowing any better I started walking away when my brother in law grabbed my arm and said, "Hang on, I want to make sure that deer wasn't hit." We waited 10 minutes and went to where the deer was and there was a bunch of hair and little blood, but he'd hit the deer. We tracked for about 200 yards finding more blood and where it laid down. We went about 30-40 yards and the deer stood up and my brother in law, who was in front of me shot it killing it. By the time we got it field dressed and dragged to a trail it was well past dark. The old guys were eating dinner when we got back for the bike and my father in law asked where we'd been. I took out the heart from my pocket (in a baggie) and put it on the guys plate that shot it telling him that the liver would be in there too but that was where he'd hit it. He never came back. I was fine with that

What did you do about the second deer?

I see this thread has gotten to arguing religion. I see it as trophy hunters vs deer hunters

Females not bred will come in again about now and even this year's females will come in about now. I'm just inside northern tier and there was a large survivor chasing a young female at dark tonight right in my yard.

Killing bucks doesn't manage the deer herd that much does it? The "big buck" guys should find a 4.5 year old doe and try and hunt her. They're significantly more difficult to hunt than bucks. But that's not going on the wall, is it? and its not what we're seiing on TV