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Here is my Halloween buck from last week. The taxidermist aged him at least 5.5 years. He was an old bully that liked to fight.
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Thanks for the comments from everyone. I do love nontypicals! Even though I do have some larger deer mounted, I am seriously considering having him mounted because of his age and he has so much character, not only with his rack but with his cape as well.
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I took this old fighter on Halloween. He came in after hearing a few bleats with the can. The shot hit its mark and he only went 30 yards and fell over. I guess my aluminum arrows and 100gr Thunderheads can still do it even at 35 yds. This buck was a real fighter as he has scars all over his face. His left eye was even swollen almost all of the way shut from a recent brawl. I haven't had him aged yet, but I believe he's and old timer and was in decline. He has unbelievable mass on the bases and main beams. His face and head are very gray, and he's missing quite a few teeth in the front of his mouth. Any thoughts or guesses on his age?
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I took this old fighter on Halloween. He came in after hearing a few bleats with the can. The shot hit its mark and he only went 30 yards and fell over. I guess my aluminum arrows and 100gr Thunderheads can still do it even at 35 yds. This buck was a real fighter as he has scars all over his face. His left eye was even swollen almost all of the way shut from a recent brawl. I haven't had him aged yet, but I believe he's and old timer and was in decline. He has unbelievable mass on the bases and main beams. His face and head are very gray, and he's missing quite a few teeth in the front of his mouth.
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Here are a few of the biggest bucks taken locally that I've had my hands on...
Enough said. End of conversation. Thread closed. Thank you...
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There a more where he came from. For instance, this deer is less than a mile up the same road as this other buck, Hopefully, he will get to do his thing with a few does...
Wow! That a great buck! I sure wish there were still deer on LI like that. Not anymore though. I'll be hunting in WNY this season. Lol
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WNY is where it's at. There are no big deer left on LI anymore.
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What the heck is going on is the rut starting early lol
It's the false rut.
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My Weimaraner Cody.
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Some will always find something to complain about, what is the DEC taking away your chance to shoot a buck in the first 2 weeks out of a 4 month season?
The first 2 weeks with the exception of the first day or two of the season are probably the hardest time to try and kill a buck. What I have a problem with is, it's also the least desirable time to kill does because of the warm temps. I can easily hunt most of my spots and stack up the does during the early season, but I won't because of the weather. I keep one deer for myself a year and anything else will be given to friends, relatives, or donated. If I harvest a deer in the early season, then it is a mad scramble to process it before it spoils. Maybe you do, but I don't have a walk in freezer. What I have a problem with is the DEC has a goal that I agree with but they just went about it the wrong way, which will effectively result in the goal not being met. It started 2 years ago when they took away the privelage of shooting a doe then receiving a deer of either sex tag. On LI we can get up to 4 doe tags per person. Everyone that I know would fill those tags over the course of the season and then get either sex tags hoping to shoot another buck at some point, but in reality end up with tag soup at the end of the season. Why in the world would they take away something effective like that unless they had a hidden agenda?
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My biggest was taken on Long Island in 99. It went 205 dressed.
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I just got my license the other day. There was no mention of the new regs regarding the no buck rule anywhere in the syllabus, nor any other notice of change. I even asked the guy at the desk if he knew anything about it. He didn't have a clue. I have to wonder how many bow hunters actually know about these new regs.
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I have a doe that lives close by that has a broken front leg. It is bent backwards. We call her Peggy as she can only walk on 3 legs. Would you believe she is at least 10 years old and still has at least 2 fawns every year.
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They are better at patterning us than we are of them. Not long after the workers leave, it will be business as usual.
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Crank one out...
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Still shooting 100g Thunderheads after 25 years. I can walk into any sports store and buy more blades. You can't say that about most other broad heads with the exception of Muzzy. Oh yeah, I always get great penetration unlike most expandables.
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I just did some research on deer take numbers for Long Island for the last several years. So basically what you're saying is that even though we shot almost 500 more deer on DMP's and totaled over 600 more for the year, making it the highest ever, we still didn't do our job? Granted, more do need to be taken out of certain residential areas. Opening more land will help reduce the numbers further. Even the wildlife biologist for Long Island agrees. So I don't think we are being punished, like you implied. I just think that DEC is making some very bad decisions as far as herd management is concerned and they are going about it the wrong way. It's not the first time they have had their head up there own ass. They can't even manage many saltwater fish species. Striped Bass stocks are collapsing and winter flounder almost non existent. Should I keep going...The real point is for years Hunters in 1C have been and will continue to pass antlerless deer whether in October or January.
Everyone is quick to place blame on the DEC.That's the easy thing to do.Hunters are ultimately responsible to manage and maintain populations.The DEC sets the stage.Hunters are not always willing to perform.All one needs to do is read posts on various websites and social media pages to see the general consensus is that does are not specifically targeted for various reasons......too warm......too much hassle.......lessens the chances of seeing a buck.....the DEC is a bunch of morons.........etc. None of which help with population control.Spin it any way you want.Bowhunters in 1C need to take responsibility and kill more antlerless deer.
It's easy.......kill,donate, get another tag.They hand out tags like tickets at a carnival.
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The NYSDEC has been issuing unlimited antlerless tags in 1C for 10+ years.They were telling hunters something.Problem is nobody was listening.Toooo many antlerless deer get a pass from hunters blinded by antlers.#1 reason everyone is pissed is because they lose their chance at an early season Buck.
Herd Management before Trophy Management................don't blame the DEC.Their tools failed......not them.
I agree herd management should come first. But let's be honest, this plan is not going to help. It is counter productive. This is obviously going to keep many hunters out of the woods during the early season, myself included. It would've been more productive to make a doe only season in December when temps drop and hunters could harvest as many does as they would like without having to worry about them spoiling if they don't get them processed asap. I will still be shooting a bunch and donating them, but it won't be in October.
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<p>This came up on a national forum by a ny hunter as well.My mother, still down out on eastern long island, north fork WMU1c, just emailed me an article out of a local paper reporting the same thing.I had bowhunted LI for the fist 10-12 years of my hunting and we both agreed that making the first 15 days of the season doe only will only keep hunters out of the woods for the first 15 days.In an area where doe permits are almost unlimited, no one is going to go out the first 15 days if they can't shoot a buck. The DEC accomplished exactly the opposite of what they wanted.A better idea would have been to establish an "earn a buck" system for the first 15 days, shoot a doe then and get an extra buck tag. That would have really got the bowhunters taking down the does.I think the DEC generally does a great job, but sometime one just has to wonder if they think like the hunters or not.Below is what I posted there.Actually, the last I recall, if you do bring in a doe on an anterless DMP permit to a check station, they give you another doe permit. When I left the island if you brought a doe in that you took on a deer management permit (doe permit, not antlerless your get with bow/muzzleloader) you got an either sex tag. Now, back then, your first and second choices in 1C were guaranteed, a second drawing for two more tags was had in Oct. Hence, you started the season off with 4 deer management permits. if you filled any or all you got either sex tags. So, if you took your 4 does you got 4 either sex tags in addition to your regular season deer tag. You could take 5 bucks! Or if you brought in yet another doe off one of the additional tags you got another doe tag. Point is, you could start off with 4 doe tags and your regular tag and continue to take does until the season ran out or you used them to kill 5 bucks.And even that didn't cull the herd enough.
As far as it not being able to cull the herd enough, a huge problem on Long Island has always been access and having a 500' setback. Now that they have reduced the setback to 150' and are trying to open up more public land, they take away an incentive for hunters to shoot does. I just don't get it. When hunting in Wertheim Wildlife Refuge, the Feds got it right trying to reduce the herd. You have to shoot 2 does before you can get a buck tag. This encouraged hunters to take does, and has worked very well to reduce the herd.
I am all for shooting does, but if I had my choice I try to do it later in the season when temps drop. If they imposed an Earn-A-Buck program, I would empty my quiver on opening day and stack them up.
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I may be wrong, but I think that changed prior to this year.......
You are correct. It changed last year.
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should have put LI in the title, it's so warm early season that I really don't kill my does until December.
I agree Tim. Late season is where it's at for me for harvesting does.
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Here on Long Island, we used to be able to shoot a doe using a DMP. Then have it checked in and we would get another tag for a deer of either sex, and keep doing that until you shot a buck, then that tag would be dead. They took that incentive away from us last year. Why??? I have no idea. We can get as many as 4 DMP's per person without sharing them. I like many others, would fill a few tags during the course of the season. Then at least during the late gun or bow season, we would still have some deer of either sex DMP's left just in case we had an opportunity to harvest a buck. That would rarely happen, so more often than not, we would end up just harvesting another doe.
What they should have done is have an earn a buck program where you have to shoot 2 or even 3 does before you could harvest a buck. When hunting on a certain federal wildlife refuge here on the island, they require you to shoot 2 does before you can shoot a buck. It has worked pretty damn good in there by knocking the numbers right down.
I can guarantee you that if the state imposed an earn a buck program, at least here in 1C, there would be many hunters willing to stack up the does at some point during the season. Without a doubt, the population here on the island is out of control and something does need to be done about it. Instead of taking incentives away from the ones who can help control it in heavily populated areas, they should be creating incentives like an earn a buck program.
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Here on Long Island, we used to be able to shoot a doe using a DMP. Then have it checked in and we would get another tag for a deer of either sex, and keep doing that until you shot a buck, then that tag would be dead. They took that incentive away from us last year. Why??? I have no idea. We can get as many as 4 DMP's per person without sharing them. I like many others, would fill a few tags during the course of the season. Then at least during the late gun or bow season, we would still have some deer of either sex DMP's left just in case we had an opportunity to harvest a buck. That would rarely happen, so more often than not, we would end up just harvesting another doe.
What they should have done is have an earn a buck program where you have to shoot 2 or even 3 does before you could harvest a buck. When hunting on a certain federal wildlife refuge here on the island, they require you to shoot 2 does before you can shoot a buck. It has worked pretty damn good in there by knocking the numbers right down.
I can guarantee you that if the state imposed an earn a buck program, at least here in 1C, there would be many hunters willing to stack up the does at some point during the season. Without a doubt, the population here on the island is out of control and something does need to be done about it. Instead of taking incentives away from the ones who can help control it in heavily populated areas, they should be creating incentives like an earn a buck program.
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Maybe a January Doe Hunt. A lot of states use this as an option when numbers get to high. In Michigan, there isn't a always January Doe Hunt, but they have that option when needed. Of course, they also have in their constitution that the Natural Resource Commission has all authority when determining on how to manage wildlife.
On Long Island, our season has been extended into January. We can use both a bow or a gun. Many hunters on the island will take there share of does at that time, myself included.
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I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Federal Trophy Copper sabots. I first started shooting them when they used a Barnes slug. They've always been extremely accurate as well as having incredible knock down power.