RoadKill44

AnsweringQuestions: 1) I shouldn’t have changed the topic by inserting “knapp” comment. My bad. The comment was aimed at G-Man. He got it and provided the correct answer. Apologies. 2) Yes, it is somewhat like fishing at a trout farm. But it’s not all that easy. The “Seeing loads of Deer” part is fun but, you can’t always shoot what you see. A big doe broadside at 20 yards is not a shot with a garage door behind it at 40 yards. There are many challenges related to being extra safe and being discrete about it. Unlike woodland hunting, you not only have to pay closer attention to backdrop, but you also have to insure you’ll be able to recover your broadhead. It’s important not to leave a broadhead in a lawn for several reasons. A clean kill is important and you must consider where the deer will go after hit. It would be best if no one else saw a deer parish. The presence of children or a dog more than 150 yards away, though safe, you still have to think about their reaction. Your intent and their perception of your intent may not coincide. Letting the neighbors know about your intentions and purpose beforehand greatly helps. The challenges and frustrations though totally different can still make suburban hunting enjoyable. 3) Yes, the atmosphere can be annoying at times. Lawns being mowed, the hammering of home improvement contractors, school bus dropping kids off and dogs barking can all be distractions. The good news is that the deer seem accustomed to it and pay little attention. That in itself is interesting to observe. I’ve come to discover that suburban deer have a totally different mindset. My purpose is to help a friend with a deer problem. I enjoy seeing bucks, but target doe and I split the meat with my non-hunting friend. I see it as the ideal bowhunting situation while helping to solve a problem as well. I also agree that woodland hunting is a better experience. The silence, seeing other wildlife and the occasional huge flake snowfalls are all sooooo enjoyable. I also enjoy your comments.

A couple questions come to mind. You say 400 acres. How much of that is wooded? Maybe more important is how much is wooded/field fringes? You say the only one that hunts. Are posted signs involved? there You say food plots. What other food is available? Are there any acorns, apples, croplands or low forage brush? Cover: Are there brush lots? Do you practice hinge cutting at all? I know these are all questions but your answer may be in the above answers. This site has introduced me to hinge cutting options which I will be starting this year. The list of possible solutions is huge. Only you know what you have and you may need to find out more about what deer like and need. Huntingny.com has been a good place for me. There seems to be a lot of knowledgeable hunters here. Although sometimes you got to dig through a lot of crap to find gold.

Ok I'm NOT the only one. I'd like to talk to those guys. PS Not a knapper but I hit the stone tool show each year.

This photo was taken by the landowner showing me the problem they have with deer. This particular yard is hit the hardest with many ornamental bushes being eaten every year. I hunted from the shed shown in the picture. On the right end is a big double door (about 6X6) and I sit inside with one door open. Most deer are skittish but some will walk right up to you. although I saw 20 or so deer every day it took me two weeks to get my first one. Because I'm there for population control I only target mature doe. The little guys and bucks are safe. Just to clarify: I am talking Bow only. A pet might be let out for a nature break and I wouldn't shoot at that time. I'm in the backyard and a bus comes by to pick up and drop off school kids at the road out front and about 150 yards from the shed. I wouldn't shoot then either for fear of exposing a child to an injured deer running off after being hit. I take no shots over 40 yards to insure good shot placement. there are other rules a follow for myself and that is why I asked for input from others who may be doing the same thing. I'm interested in the rules and precautions they follow.

Yes.I hunt from this shed.

Is there anyone else who bow hunts in suburban backyards? By that I mean literally in a non-wooded backyard. There are $300,000 and $400,000 dollar homes situated on two acre plots with adjoining backyards. On occasion there may be neighboring pets out and potentially children playing across the way. There may be ornamental trees and shrubs. There may be gardens and fences. Again I’m not talking about plopping down in adjacent wood lots. You may be using a tree stand, group of pines, shed, deck or tent style blind for cover but still you are in someone’s backyard. The problem is one of deer over population. The combination of suburban development adjacent to public parks provides a super safe haven for deer. Hunting in these areas is tough because a hunter needs to pay attention to setbacks and obtain permission from several neighbors. Also because of human population density, if a hunter does get permission, they’ll be limited to bow (or crossbow). That being said, I’d like to hear from bow hunters who are doing just that. How did you happen to get into such areas? What special safety considerations do you adhere to? How are the landowners helping (or hindering) you?

Energy effectiveness is exactly true. Hard case bullets that past through only make a hole. The energy (in the way of mass and speed) left in the bullet exiting the animal does no further damage. The intent of the hollow point is to expand and release its energy into the body of the animal. That energy is in the form of a shockwave that damages internal organs around the hole. repeat: Poking a hole does little damage at any speed.

Another valuable use for a trail cam. Too bad there isn't a legal season where one could use an old bear trap. Really sucks. I had a trail cam taken. Card, mount and all. I use python bike locks now.

Ok a 410 at 1830 fps delivers just over 600 ft lbs of energy. Yes, It too can kill a deer but I wouldn't recommend the use of a 410 to anyone hunting deer either. I'm sure there are a few who might go out with a 410 for the challenge. For me it wouldn't be ethical. Being new to this site and its forums, I'd just like to say, although I'm not in full agreement of everyone, I do enjoy reading your opinions both good and bad. Not everyone hunts for the same reasons and this forum has got me reading into the subject of air guns. A topic I would have otherwise NOT looked into. I haven't seen an air gun in action (other than my two BB guns) so you'll have to take my viewpoint on this topic from that prospective. Thank you all for the banter.

It's been stated that 650fps is under powered to open hollow points or create damage. The air gun may work well at 20 to 30 yard shots. It's also been stated that some favor the quiet approach of the air gun but it seems to me as though a crossbow or bow is quieter and more effective out to 40 yards. We aren't necessarily talking about just killing a deer but can one kill a deer effectively. Maybe you're not going to upset neighbors by being quiet but you may make not hunters become anti-hunters when they see the suffering of wounded deer coming into their backyards. There are many regulations on broadheads just for reasons of producing an ethical kill. I've not seen anything in this forum indicating a hunter will get a quick kill (and harvest) any quieter or efficiently than with a crossbow or bow. My fear is that inexperienced hunters (with the money) who think an air gun is fine may try 60 yard shots just because they can hold a tight group at that distance. Maimed deer is no a pretty picture to non hunters and there is more to being discreet than silence.

Is that just a polite way of saying were a bunch of losers. 4-8-19-27-34--10 I have to ask. How many numbers did you have to match up in order to win $4?

A ten foot high bronze statue for the front yard would be nice.

Yes. rich is fine - but imagine filthy rich

No. The renewal wasn't by mail. I went to the county clerks office. I just knew it was required as you move from one county to another. I don't think there is anyway county officials are tracking the movement of pistol permit holders. I don't know what would have happened if they checked me and discovered I lived in a different county. I didn't take a chance to find out with Safe Act issues in the news.

I have a lot of fun with my "Lid Cam". It snaps to any baseball type hat brim and takes pretty good video. The nice thing about it is that follows the action as your head turns. The bad thing is if you're looking out of the corner of your eye at the big buck that just came in, you can't always turn your head to capture the event. But that's true of any camera situation. The other mistake made is forgetting to turn it on when things get exciting. I also have a contour camera and have had that mounted to my bow. Trouble there is vibration and the bow dropping forward on every shot. So there's the deer, twang "can't see anything" vibration and by the time things settle down your looking at the ground. The "Lid Cam" worked best for me but I think it would be far better to have a cameraman. My wife is not interested and those that would enjoy hunting, are hunting.

I got a permit renewal post Safe Act shortly after moving to Ontario County. No expiration date on it.

I can’t believe a 30 cal. air gun is going to do any better than a field tip on an arrow. Yes, you can hit a deer and put a hole through him, but you’re not going to create a lot of bleeding or deliver a knockdown blow at 650 fps. Manufacturers may say for “Big Game” but “Come-on”. Literally it’s got to be a come on. I’m obviously stating I wouldn’t buy one unless I wanted to practice my tracking skills over long distances. I can do quiet with a bow and I might not have to be as close. The only advantage I see is suburban backyard population control when I could care less about recovery. It would work but I think a bit unethical.

What no camo swaddle blanket? congrats.

Mostly deer via Archery, Xbow, rifle and Xbow again. Primarily meat hunter but still looking for that big rack. Turkey - yes but not a total nutcase about it. I backed off on spring and fall turkey this year because sightings were low. I've taken a few squirrels and I like rabbit. My neighbor has two beagles. Mostly enjoy the prep-work spending time at the cabin, building natural ground blinds (woodpile forts) and tracking the activity on three or four trail cams. Snapped a bear twice in one location and then once in two other locations this year. I deer hunt with 7 other guys but no one saw the bear while hunting. So I'm not a bear hunter but I would shoot should opportunity knock.

While at my cabin in Hartsville, I hafta go five miles to Walmart just raise myself to the status of a redneck.

Yep Contacted NYON. We'll see what happens with a more inclusive polished story.

Gun is a 38 stamped "Model 1873"

Dad is the gent photo shopped in color. Unfortunately the old man is not around to answer all the question I forgot to ask back then. He had mentioned about half the names but I never wrote his stories down. I do recall him saying not everyone held their own gun for the picture and the one he's holding is not his. He had a Winchester 38 with the stock cut short for his arm length. There is more to tell and I'll let you all know when.

I’d like to share a treasure. It may not be as much a treasure to you (the readers) as it is to me. But, I want to share it just for my own gratification. The inspiration came from a forum post on this website where a few of you were talking about keeping journals. Your journals were probably different reasons but I’d like to express the increase in value to the family when the author is no longer around. It’s nothing more than a portion from my father’s journals that describes his very first hunting trip to the Adirondacks but first let me give you a little background. Dad, at this time, was a single farm boy, 22 years of age, sixth grade education and trying to get by working for the town and doing odd farm work to get by during the depression. That being said here is the journal excerpt copied into text just as he wrote it. November 1929 1 F We put up snow fence. I got my deer license. I got a check for $63.00. 2 S We did not work today. I went out town and got the rest of my hunting outfit and got everything packed. We start at 6 Oclock in the morning for Star Lake. 3 Su Thirteen of us started for the mountains about 9 Oclock. We got to Star Lake about 6 Oclock. We had supper at Young’s Camp and stayed all night. 4 M We loaded our camping stuff on a wagon and went back in the woods about 9 miles and got our tent set up and some wood cut and beds set up in time to go to bed. 5 T The guide come this morning and we started hunting. We did not git any thing. 6 W I saw the first deer I ever saw runing wild. two does and a fawn standing about 50 ft away. They stood and look right at me for about a minit. We got one buck today an 8 point. 7 Th We didn’t get anything today. 8 F We didn’t get anything. 9 S We got two bucks. It got dark and we had to leave one over across the river. One 6 point and one 12 point. 10 Su We went over and got the one we left last night. I missed the first buck I saw. We got one other one today a 12 point. 11 M We got one today a 6 point. 2 points on one side and 4 on the other. 12 T I shot mine - a 6 point. Hugh Moag got his about twenty minutes after. an other 6 pointer. 13 W We didn’t git anything today. 14 Th We got one today – a 3 point. Mr. Young come in and got all the deer but the last one. We didn’t have him in camp yet. 15 F We packed up and Mr. Young came in and got our stuff. We had supper at his place and stayed all night. 16 S We got our stuff all packed on the truck and in the cars and started home about noon. We got in Perry Center about 10 Oclock. Clark came out and got Warren Brown and I. I got my check for $4.50 from the town. 17 Su We all went down to Leslie Wright’s and got our pictures taken with the deer. The trip cost us about $21.00. ggg

Seriously. I'd buy up a whole bunch of land (deer country) just to see the posted signs come down. I'd leave my wild kingdom to the grandchildren.