sherlockgael

Does only--heard of one small buck shot opening day-Rensslaerville--farmer said he had seen several spikes before season

Seen lots of does-only 1 buck-4 pt opening day chasing 3 does--anyone else see much in 4H?

Animal Emotions Do animals think and feel? by Marc Bekoff Stalking, Hunting, Stress, and Emotion Stalking is very stressful to animals Stalking is very stressful to animals Published on July 6, 2009 by Marc Bekoff in Animal Emotions 　 Let's face it, "gone huntin'" and "gone fishin'" usually mean "gone killin'." But death is often a blessing, a relief from the pain and suffering of being stalked, crippled or mutilated, and dying agonizingly slowly. Hunting and fishing get millions of people "out in nature" and may provide quality time with family and friends. According to Mark Duda and his colleagues (in Wildlife and the American Mind) "To a large extent, hunting represents the embodiment of family values." There's also an emotional component (often reported as erotic) indicated by elevated heart rate, that's unique to the human predator-prey encounter. This excitement might also serve as a strong motivator - stalking and hunting are arousing and enjoyable. Occasionally, hunters stalk but don't shoot animals, or anglers catch fish and toss them back, weak and injured, with mutilated mouths. They're proud for not killing the animals. Nonetheless, many animals, including fish, experience significant pain and suffering. The stress responses of fish that lead to anxiety and fear closely mimic those of other vertebrates, including humans. And while it's not known how many fish die after being caught and tossed, about five to ten percent of trout die from the stress of merely being handled. What's it like to be stalked? Even if people stalk animals but don't try to kill them, animals suffer greatly. Just seeing a potential predator is stressful. Patrick Bateson, at the University of Cambridge in England, found red deer stalked by dogs showed stress responses similar to those experienced when animals were anxious and scared. Deer showed high levels of cortisol and the breakdown of red blood cells, indicating extreme physiological and psychological stress. Stalked deer also displayed excessive fatigue and damaged muscles. Non-stalked deer and those shot without prolonged stalking didn't show similar stress responses. Clearly, animals don't like the emotional distress, anxiety, and fear of being stalked and neither do humans (www.antistalking.com). Stalked animals may also spend less time feeding, resting, and protecting young. More studies are needed concerning stress responses associated with eco-touring and photographing animals, activities supposedly morally superior to hunting. The stalker's intentions, malevolent or not, seem unimportant. It's reasonable to believe that animals will show fear and anxiety responses to human stalkers that are similar to those shown to non-humans stalkers. Hunting and fishing are sanctioned assaults on numerous animals' lives. Huge industries are devoted to making them easier. In many states wildlife agencies spend more money promoting hunting and fishing, including killing predators to enhance hunting opportunities, than on protecting wildlife, including imperiled or endangered species. Some who hunt and fish truly enjoy the richness of the experience, but they don't want to make animals suffer. Perhaps if they fully realized the intense pain and suffering for which they're responsible while stalking, they'd forego the emotional rush of the experience. And, there are lots of ways to experience nature and have quality time with family and friends without intruding on, and stressing, injuring, or killing, other animals. Published on July 6, 2009 by Marc Bekoff in Animal Emotions 　 Let's face it, "gone huntin'" and "gone fishin'" usually mean "gone killin'." But death is often a blessing, a relief from the pain and suffering of being stalked, crippled or mutilated, and dying agonizingly slowly. Hunting and fishing get millions of people "out in nature" and may provide quality time with family and friends. According to Mark Duda and his colleagues (in Wildlife and the American Mind) "To a large extent, hunting represents the embodiment of family values." There's also an emotional component (often reported as erotic) indicated by elevated heart rate, that's unique to the human predator-prey encounter. This excitement might also serve as a strong motivator - stalking and hunting are arousing and enjoyable. Occasionally, hunters stalk but don't shoot animals, or anglers catch fish and toss them back, weak and injured, with mutilated mouths. They're proud for not killing the animals. Nonetheless, many animals, including fish, experience significant pain and suffering. The stress responses of fish that lead to anxiety and fear closely mimic those of other vertebrates, including humans. And while it's not known how many fish die after being caught and tossed, about five to ten percent of trout die from the stress of merely being handled. What's it like to be stalked? Even if people stalk animals but don't try to kill them, animals suffer greatly. Just seeing a potential predator is stressful. Patrick Bateson, at the University of Cambridge in England, found red deer stalked by dogs showed stress responses similar to those experienced when animals were anxious and scared. Deer showed high levels of cortisol and the breakdown of red blood cells, indicating extreme physiological and psychological stress. Stalked deer also displayed excessive fatigue and damaged muscles. Non-stalked deer and those shot without prolonged stalking didn't show similar stress responses. Clearly, animals don't like the emotional distress, anxiety, and fear of being stalked and neither do humans (www.antistalking.com). Stalked animals may also spend less time feeding, resting, and protecting young. More studies are needed concerning stress responses associated with eco-touring and photographing animals, activities supposedly morally superior to hunting. The stalker's intentions, malevolent or not, seem unimportant. It's reasonable to believe that animals will show fear and anxiety responses to human stalkers that are similar to those shown to non-humans stalkers. Hunting and fishing are sanctioned assaults on numerous animals' lives. Huge industries are devoted to making them easier. In many states wildlife agencies spend more money promoting hunting and fishing, including killing predators to enhance hunting opportunities, than on protecting wildlife, including imperiled or endangered species. Some who hunt and fish truly enjoy the richness of the experience, but they don't want to make animals suffer. Perhaps if they fully realized the intense pain and suffering for which they're responsible while stalking, they'd forego the emotional rush of the experience. And, there are lots of ways to experience nature and have quality time with family and friends without intruding on, and stressing, injuring, or killing, other animals. Animal Emotions Do animals think and feel? by Marc Bekoff Stalking, Hunting, Stress, and Emotion

Finally......venison

Only does so far

Any news from 4H this season (so far)?

Good Luck

Who is going out Thanksgiving?

Turned down for a DMP Permit again-even with a preference point. How did other DMP permit applicants do? Also how is it looking in 4H this year?

Nice video

Regarding the bad soil etc. in NY-I am not a scientist or anything like that but could somone explain this deer-I think Cornell is in NY State

Nice photo--these old hunting pix are great---keep them coming!

Nice Photo From this photo I would gather that all of the men were well off judging by their attire. Also one of them owned an automobile which would again reinforce the fact they had a buck (excuse the pun). This looks to me that they all got back in to town and got cleaned up (notice no mud ect. on their shoes) and changed into their Sunday best and posed for the photo. A camera would be another luxury, I don't think they all had a digital mini camera in their pockets. Obviously taken in town they must have been in a deer camp and brought the deer to town via another vehicle or more likely horse and wagon. That car is a 2 seater and you would not be driving that car up some mountain road to a hunting camp near Whitehall NY which is pretty rugged country to this day.

Bubba I think anything to help the population--I am game for ANYTHING

For the sake of argument what is your opinion (Bubba) if they shortened the season to 1 week--what impact would it have on the deer herd and buck antler lenght--say they did it for 5 years?

I'm thinking numbers--deer taken by bow- vs gun?

My only reason is it seems the herd is being depleted

Thanks for the input-opening day I saw 17 deer -just 1 spike -all does---past couple of days or so absolutley nothing - or at great distance-something is amiss

Let's get a discussion going about the NY Deer Season-Gun. Is the season too long? Should the gun season be shortened to a week or 2 weeks? Many experienced hunters I have spoken with regarding this topic refer to states such as Illinois-which has a much shorter season that NY and seems to have monster racks harvested. What to the hunters on this forum have to say? Will a shortened season help the NYS Deer herd?

They must have doe permits

Took this off my trail cam-the view is looking towards the road-what do you think this person(s) was up to a 2:30AM?

Hunting participation by all accounts is way down--antler restriction will sverely drop the number of hunters in the field--you think you see less deer now............

Saw nada this morning--nothing on the web cam either from 9AM Sat Dec 4 until 6AM Sunday Dec 5

I think someone on this thread mentioned that the deer in NY state "go nocturnal" after opening day. I must strongly agree. The odds at seeing a buck drop dramatically after the 1st shots are fired. As you go through the season one can observe even the does become very cautious and skiddish. Many times deer are only seen just before dusk. I agree deer hunting in NY is much much harder than on these TV shows and perhaps harder than a lot of other areas in the US.