Northcountryman

But it appears we (were) energy independent whenTrump was in charge- unless the quote from Shoots is wrong.

I think youre Way too personally connected to your contention of this whole "energy independance thing"; hes simply just showing a stat quote , and unless he intentionally distorted the verbiage, thats just plain fact.

IDK ,did you just see Shoots post? Whats the harm in verifying facts? Also, Are you sure that youre definition of " energy independence is the agreed upon one? Looks like theirs some subjectivitry there

With all due respect , you do not know for certain unless you have looked at the data-not do I . I will look ; when I get a chance that is

Yes - excellent way to frame it .

I’m not talking about what shoots said ; I’m talking about what I’ve heard on the news which is probably what motivated Shoots to say that in the first place . Like I said , I dline to see ALL of the oil import date before I would make a judgement on the matter - wouldn’t you ?

I’m saying that “ they “ are probably exaggerating the energy independence statement thing - not me . However , I will reserve judgement on that until I view data which includes ALL imports and not just Russia . Also , I would like to see export data as well , including domestic “ in country “ production and usage .

Line was trending down when Trump was in and now it’s going up - way up . That’s why they’re saying it . Wee we’re heading in the right direction before - now we’re not. Thank you the info

I like your post but feel compelled to read up on this more to find out why they say we were energy independent under Trump - there must be something to that contention, especially since , like I said , the Dems concede that point .

This is a point contended all the time by the right and the Dems don’t seem to dispute it , so I’m inclined to dispute it . However , I refuse to shoot my mouth off about a fact I do not have knowledge of!! I will have to do some research on this to see why they say that we were energy independent under Trump and way more dependent now under Biden .

Are You sure ?

Ohhh, be careful with the psychoanalysis Left , especially someone you don’t know and have never met and will never meet ; are you sure about this ? What can be said of Obama , a man raised mostly by his grandparents , in contrast? Or Biden ? As you often say - just asking questions

Does any oil producing country , including the Saudi’s and / or consume ONLY their own oil exclusively ? I doubt it ; but under Trump, we were net exporters of oil although still importing some too . That is , at least how I understand . And we sure as hell aren’t any longer under the current administration - not by a long shot !!

Than I would have to agree with you my friend as I can’t argue that point . Given my druthers though , I’d go for Trump

As long as it’s not a Democrat , I’m ok with this choice but would prefer my Guy

No , more

What’re you implying here, Lefty? Not sure where you’re going with that

I saw that - could get outta hand very soon. I want Trump !!

Hate to admit, but I agree with that . Ive said it on here many times: I like Trump VERY much as Prez, but feel that his hubris and abrasive persona detracts from his performance. Hes not a humble guy in the least and comes off to me as quite narcissistic- and I dont like that. I feel hes the best man for the job , though and will get my vote, hands down.

Yeah , I hear and agree with what you’re saying but respectfully disagree with your opinion of Trump. For me , a candidate would have to be God awful bad on the Republican side for me to pull the lever for a Democrat . That party has so lost its way over the last 20 yrs or so , I just couldn’t do it . I believe it really grew worse after the election of Obama , who I abhorred for his gross negligence and incompetence - and talk about a race baiter ? NOONE can come close to him!! Remember : This race crap all started under his presidency !!

That would be risky ; everyone would have to be united and resolved to enforce it unilaterally . I do agree with the premise though, of course .

What we’re you gonna say Buddy- go ahead

I got no problem with that; as long as it’s not a Democrat , for Gods sake lol.

Thats cuz he a Stud!!!!

Good post here- quite good , in fact; however, I did do a little background research into this contingent of former govt officials that refers to themselves as a group of "former Republican National Secutiry Officials for Biden" and-no surprise here- they are not really what they ostensibly present themselves to be! For sake of clarity, what I'm saying is: this is NOT a group of republican -Country before party first-patriots who , so horrified by Trumps governance during his first term , felt compelled to speak out as one voice in order to save the country from him; rather, it is a mish-mash motley assortment comprised of either RINOS, left leaning turncoats , McCain loyalists and /or other Anti -Trumpers. So, Bottom line here is this: of course theyre gonna come out against him!! t Why do I say this? Let me give you a little sample from the list of "Signers": 1)Steve Abbott-Retired Admiral USN A McCain guy through and through !! This guy hated Trump anyway, a hatred derived solely due to personal reasons- Dont believe me? Check out this quote: “To hear someone say that John McCain was a loser and they don’t like people who become prisoners, I just knew I was going to have trouble going forward with somebody who held those views.” As you can see, his motivation was entirely for personal reasons!! 2) Chuck Hagel- Secretary of Defense under Obama Nuff said here, right!!! This lefty RINOs opinion of Trump bears no weight w/ me, hbu?? 3)Colleen Graffy- Former Dep Asst Sec of State Another McCain Supporter and lets be clear: ANYONE who adores John McCain is gonna hate Trump!! Can we really value her opinion? NOT ME!! 4)Larry Pressler- Former R Sen of SD A wishy-washy RINO who ran his last race as an Independent and was VERY much conisdered to be a RINO turncoat while still. Was even rated as Liberal by Independent Groups during his campaign- not a Republican!!! 5)Elizabeth Neumann-Former Asst Sec of Homeland Sec. Viewed everything within the prism of race;was convinced that Trump was "Racist" and failed to do enough to defend us (i.e., the country) against "White Supremacist Attacks"- What??? VERY LOONEY!!!! Again, more of that inane White Supremacist crap!! I seriously challenge ANYONE out there to point to ONE major white supremacist motivated attack/incident/ riot. etc. that occurred in this country under President Trumps Leadershup: BALONEY!! 5)Richard Armitage- Frm Dep Sec of State RINO and Colin Powell "Bestie" -Does anyone still consider colin Powell to be a Republican?? I rest my case!! 6)John Warner - Former (R) Senator from VA A Never Trumper and McCain Devotee 7) Olivia Troye- Former Special Adv to the VP A Never Trumper- fired for incompetence in the administration. Does she have an ax to grind, perhaps? Hmmm.... 8)Miles Taylor- Frmr Ceif of Staff, Dept of Homeland Security The RINO in Chief!! "Anonymous" Author and Never Trumper who now works for Google. Need I say more? To summarize: Upon Intensive review and analysis, this so-called "List" does not possess the power of impugning the former Prez in the least!!