Northcountryman

The Gorge is great nymphing water--I love it!!

Great book--my first Fly ID guide but not my last !! I believe he said in the beginning of the book somewhere that he took an entire season off from fishing, just to collect, obeserve and ID bugs; also, he watched other fisherman in action to gain insight into what worked (and didnt) under certain conditions. I belive his home waters were the Schoarie Creek, right?

G-Man, I agree with you, but I was thinking: In the Adirondacks, there wouldnt have been that many American chestnut trees due to the extreme climate there (cold as hell in the winter!). Now I dont know this for a fact, but it is my belief that Chestnuts in NY would have been found more in the southern/western zone due to the differences in climate and as a consequence, I dont think that the demise of the American chestnut would have contributed significantly to the extirpation of Eastern Elk in the Adirondacks. Elsewhere in the state, I think you raise a vaild point but I think overhunting and habitat destruction (i.e. logging) were mostly the primary factors contributing to its decline.

Agreed, Joes a great guy and always eager to help.

My daughter and her BF are sapping this year. Went and checked out their little operation today and Brought back a couple of Jars to try—can’t wait !!

DD , I totally agree w your POV but I think we’ve ( ie, the country ) gone WAY beyond there currently , haven’t we ? I mean , SO many states ( and cities) have enacted Excessively regulatory gun control legislation in the last 40 yrs And consequently, the opposition ( I.e. We 2 nd amendment supporters ) has conceded much in its acquiescence and acceptance of this new reality . Unfortunately, We cannot go back now and complain And try to roll back legislation that has already been passed ; best we can hope for now is to try to prevent further erosion of our rights .

Well, he ( The Prez) should be firing the VP too then, right? Didnt she openly--and freely-- admit to smokin doobage at one time lol?

Right--but as grazers. I think they would struggle in NY up in the Adirondacks now in most places , due to the fact that there are few open areas with suitable grazing habitat. So, the original eastern Elk herd in NY must NOT have been a grazeing Ungulate, correct? They fed on alot of Mast like Chestnuts-- probably Acorns and Beechnuts also-- and browse probably during the winter, much like Whitetails.

Yes , that makes sense; perhaps this is part of the reason why reintroduction efforts have been unsuccessful— Because they’re using western Elk.

I’ve read that they’re more of a grazer type undulate than white tails ; that’s why the western herd continues to do ok cuz there’s more open space areas. Do you know if they’re separate species or not ?

So you’re saying that the decline of the American Chestnut was the major contributing factor that led to the decline in Elk populations in the East? I feel like the elk pops started to decline first though , quite awhile before the chestnut did , isn’t that right ? Also , was the chestnut a major food staple for Elk ? Not saying you’re wrong , I just don’t know ; do you know if that’s so?

Interesting hypothesis that may have some merit, but chestnuts were obliterated much later in the east than Elk- I think around 1920s or so- whereas Elk were done by my mid to late 1800s , right? Not that there couldnt be a correlation there, but there are other factors more impt IMHO. Like most species that have been extinguished, my guess is overhunting and habitat destruction were the major factors here--what do you think?

I realize this is a very old thread, but have done a little reading about Eastern elk and thought might be worth resurrecting. Does anyone know the major differences between eastern and rocky mountain Elk? Are they considered the same species, yet separate races or different species altogther?

I have seen them in Sullivan county multiple times over the years; I think they’re fairly abundant down here .

That’s interesting ; is the old Kenwells place one of the Great Camps ? I’d like to find out more about it .

My Grandfather used to say that unions are a necessary evil—and I am a form believer in that Point of view . The unions — like many man made institutions — were conceived entirely with good Intentions during a time when workers had no protections; however , with time , they became corrupt , too demanding and WAY too greedy . That all can be reformed and in many ways , has recently as the pendulum has clearly swung in the other direction against the unions . I shudder to think of what would happen though , if unions were to fade away completely — would we go back to the good old days of hard core crony capitalism ?? Hope that doesn’t happen!!

Hey Guys, So I went out to check trail cams today, and ended up finding a VERY HEAVILY used deer trail . Turns out my spots were too far in and I should have stayed a little closer to the stream!! Anyway, I explored the trail in both directions , and ended up moving both of my trail cams to — what appeared to be — good spots along the trail. Trail seems to N S fairly consistently and is roughly 100-200 yds from the stream. I followed in one Direction all the way to the stream — and the road— but next week , wanna follow the other side more extensively ; see where it leads me !! More to follow soon , hopefully with some pics !!

Yes , sounds right , except it was Lincoln —not Buchanan— President at the time and who authorized the resupplying of the fort

Great pics!! Especially the hawk and the Bobcat!!

Welcome to the forum!!

Correct . The Rebs informed the Federal govt they must surrender all Occupied federal forts By a certain time located within Confederate territory and if they refused , they would be taken by force . Lincoln refused At Sumter and the Rebs attacked — and took — the fort.

You should check out Mudpond ; people camp up there all the time but it’s un designated . Little bit of a hike to get in there though .

Why do you say? I didnt think he was implying that at all. I believe was just making a comparision between confederate and Vietnam War memorials to get your take on the difference between the two, if any. Also, by what standard would the Vietnam Veterans be considered losers ? When you say that about the Confederacy, I believe youre referring to the fact that they lost the war, which they clearly did (and Thank God they did too). But did we (i.e., The US) win the Vietnam War? We clearly did not. But does that make the Vets who fought in the war losers? I guess that question--and comparison-- could be considered equivalent to Confederate Vets as well, wouldnt it? The Confederate Vets experienced loss on the battlefield, whereas the Union Vets did not. Can you say the same thing --completely in terms of wining/losing of the conflict-- about Vietnam Vets?? I think that you can, without referring to ANYBODY in the pejorative as "Losers".

Well , this is an informal discussion among Like minded ( well mostly anyway) individuals , but I agree with you . Arguments can and should be passionate and thought provoking , but also cogent . If you had to argue against the passage of this bill then, what would you say in your argument ?

I see, well thank you for clarifying then