mike rossi

What will eventually happen is the venison donation program will be banned as it was done in a couple of states. In the process of the ban, it will generate immense publicity and even support for anti-hunting, although the concern has nothing to do with animal rights.

The Humane Society tries to drive a wedge between bird watchers and hunters, and to a certain extent they are successful. I do not want to drive that wedge deeper. What I have gathered from my conversations, is that many bird watchers think of doves like fisherman do carp, that they are so common they are boring. Other conversation I have picked up on is a growing sentiment that doves displace other birds at feeders, they even joke about how "peaceful" doves are, driving off even blue jays. I am not saying some bird watchers or some bird club chapters do not oppose dove hunting, however, the Humane Society operates on Ad nauseam premises - they repeat things over and over until it becomes accepted as fact. The Humane Society wants it to look like it is the birding community against the hunters, when in fact the Humane Society plus other anti hunting organizations are alone for the most part. The DEC and the( FWS for refuges) does a pretty good job of balancing the needs of bird watchers and bird hunters. However the Humane Society claims that the hunters are favored and bird hunting interferes with bird watching. They make statements like they are sticking up for bird watching opportunities, instead of animal rights - their true agenda. In truth, however, bird hunting enhances opportunity for bird watchers. And, although I think opportunity between the two groups is mostly balanced, a couple public areas used by snow geese excessively favor bird watchers.

If your life depended on it, you would hedge your bet the kid swallowed the pellets because he was acting out on all he heard about lead pellets from adult hunters. And you know that is how you would hedge your bet, sway or not. And, to mislead kids to the extent they do that is pretty lame. I think it is representative of the level of irresponsibility the overall hunting community has had with the matter of lead ammo.

Plenty of proof and that is exactly what is going to be legislated eventually.

This topic is convoluted. If you can trim meat to avoid every particle, is not based on fact, only what you suggest, The smaller the particle, the more readily it enters the bloodstream. Two issues here- human health and environmental impact. A couple of you on here cite the mercury in tuna etc. That is called bioaccumulation. So if you bury some shot damaged meat in your backyard,(or landfill) and the lead enters the food chain via plants, earthworms, robins, hawk - is a long chain of events with a low probability. But that is what bioaccumulation is - it is minuscule events that cumulatively add up. So what? True, unless you are a conservationist wanting to manage his own impact on the environment. If you do not care, you do not care. If you are not convinced you are not convinced. I am not convinced a lead ban would impact the ability of hunters to buy ammo or that it will damage guns.

These birds have a lot of refugia on both private and public land. Although the FWS and state agencies have created regulations adapted for culling, rather than conservation, and encourage hunting snows, they are handing over our public lands to bird watchers for the spring season. In NY and other states, many refuges, coops, and even a few wmas open to waterfowl hunting in the fall do not allow hunting during spring migration. I guess the idea is the hunters who are able to access private land will take some birds, and the agencies will further reduce populations with egg addling on the nesting grounds. When they addle eggs, they shake them - which kills the egg but the goose still thinks it will hatch. Instead of crushing the eggs or removing them, which gets the birds to renest which although decreases population a little bit, but less. Result of egg addling - the snow geese hunters are encountering each year are increasingly less juveniles, but rather older educated birds that are difficult to fool and know where the refugia is and were the hunters are. (in addition to knowing what decoys look like). Remember geese are not like doves, grouse and pheasant which few live to 2 or even one year of age, geese live long and learn to avoid hunters. Those ganders know more about hunting than most hunters.... The adult followers do too. Do many hunters have great success hunting snow geese? Answer yes indeed, but you need to know what you are doing and work hard. Some groups kill 200 or 300 snows in one hunt, but not everyone is going to be able to do that. Few will kill 100 in a season. But that is not what it is about - every bird is a trophy!

NY Dove Hunting's advertisement in last year's NY Hunting & Trapping Official Guide to Laws and Regulations was a success and we plan to run the ad again this year and every year as long as it takes. Ad deadline is June 1. We have already received donations this year from members on this page, Lawdaz and Raymero (via Putnam Federation of Sportsmen). We need $200 more dollars for a minimum size ad, which is what we used last year. If we receive more than $200 we will purchase a larger ad or two ads. Please endorse checks as shown. Use the contact page of the NY Dove Hunting Website to request our mailing address.

Then what do you do with the trimmed out meat?

Yeah, I made it up. Its an agenda you know....

The report with the photo was that this was an older child (not a toddler), I believe was a teen as a matter of fact. Eating lead shotgun pellets probably was inspired by hearing from adults that ingesting lead pellets was harmless. The kid was apparently acting out. Why else would a teenager eat a load of pellets?

What really gets me going, is the passion members of our community have about things they either know nothing about or do not negatively effect them one way or the other. This photo is exemplary of that - although the info attached to this does't say so, it is very likely that this was caused because some father kept telling his kids over and over that the lead issue was all bull. I wouldnt be surprised if this happened right in front of mommy and daddy.... Some older child or teen, for no apparent reason, except perhaps to emulate his dad's ambivalence and disbelief regarding lead pellets, decided to swallow dad's reloading pellets. The result: kid's appendix had to be removed. Nobody is suggesting this is how eating game harvested with lead causes health problems or this is what happens to birds that ingest shot. What is suggested is this kid was prompted to show how , like his dad says, lead ammo is harmless when swallowed.... Im goin be like you dad, Im goin be like you.......

Correct, hunters trust the wrong sources. California is about 25 years behind some other states who already banned lead ammo to an extent, for instance the state of South Dakota, which can hardly be described as 'Liberal". However, it gets hunters off to repeat over and over the evil liberal state of California took this unprecedented drastic step, but a little light investigation will blow up the propaganda. You must Legislate stupid. Too bad its impossible to do. Fact is the problem with "choice" is statements here like your own - " because it doesn't have the answers to real questions and concerns. ". That is 100% untrue.There is no scientific debate, only political debate. As long as every second hunter continues to act as a science misinformer other hunters are mislead in making sound choices. Maybe Curm welcomes the debate, and feels it exposes the topic. However, maybe he feels it is an interference? If Curm wants to come on here and tell people the truth, which he is, regarding lead ammo; then let him. He is not pushing for a ban, he just wants to inform people to the facts. He is right. like it or not. Why do people think their opinion or opportunity to soapbox is more important than established facts? The hunting community, perhaps because it is comprised of maids and butlers to the republican party, has a fetish with economic arguments. We have tested the hunting community with a series of surveys and quizzes:hunters consistently incorrectly assign economic arguments to politicians or DEC staff, when the premise was actually made by anti-hunters. Since I do not hunt deer, I cannot contest the statement in this thread about a non tox rifle ammo costing $100. But I know from expereince hunters are not a reliable to tell the truth, I also know that nobody blows off round after round of hi-po rifle ammo, maybe they sight in and that is it, then they wait for one shot on a trophy. I predict that box of ammo might last some hunters 20 years.... As far as shotguns, how many old classic guns are out there and in use? Given the choice between taking game with steel shot and having the piece of mind I was not poisoning myself and wife, i would use a new gun and retire the classic. But that is my choice....

Ranched mink are twice the size of wild mink or more than twice the size. But I would guess Lawdaz is about right around 65 wild mink, because it takes about 50 large muskrats for a short jacket, and muskrats are much wider then mink. Mink is no longer the expensive fur of the past. The demand is low, and the threat this year was muskrat pelts would bring more or about the same ; 10 for a rat, 5 for a female mink, 8 for a male mink. I think the prices on mink were a little better, but not much, like 12 for a male. This is unprecedented to trappers that have been around since the seventies. Mink taken incendenly in muskrat traps might get skinned, because they are about as quick and easy to process as a muskrat. Coon caught in rat traps are a different matter, much harder to process and not bringing much anymore either, 5 to 12 dollars, not worth it. Beaver trapping is the biggest joke if you are motivated by money, becuase pelt prices are depressed, traps are expensive, and processing beavers takes a long time and is difficult - more money in raising earthworms than trapping beavers. Coyotes - I wont even go there.... .

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Mourning Doves spring migration is underway and they have been back in NY since February, Since about March 2, there has been even more. The males are actively calling for mates. If you are not hearing them, this is what they sound like: https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Mourning_Dove/sounds

Hey everyone its getting close to, one of our favorite events. That's right its the Annual Banquet. I want to remind you that the banquet is in 16 days, which is March 19th. This event is loads of fun. There will be Door Prizes, General Raffle, and a Live Auction. This event starts at 5:30. Come meet your Chapter President Harold E. Schlicker, Kevin Long our Habitat Coordinator, John Gardener our Youth Coordinator. Seating is limited so if you want to come to one hell of banquet please Message our Page www.facebook.com/PFNYGV654 or contact Kevin Long at [email protected] We look forward to seeing you at this event. Oh and we have a great Buffet. Pheasants Forever Genesee Valley NY 654 .

Retriever Training Workshop with Sean Hager June 11-12, 2016 Echoewood Training Grounds, Mexico, NY The Finger Lakes Retriever Club will be hosting a retriever skills building workshop with Sean Hager of Muddy Bay Retrievers on June 11-12, 2016 from 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM. The workshop will be held at the Echoewood training grounds in Mexico, NY and is open to dogs of all skill levels. The only requirement is that your dog be force fetched. Seminar will cover: • How to set up situations in training; • Drills and Yard Work setups; • How to read a test - what factors (wind, cover and terrain) effect what a dog will do on the test; • How to use factors in training; • Multiple setups and drills will be done for each working dog. This is an outdoor event and will be held rain or shine. Bring your own chair, drinks and notepad. Don’t forget water for your dog. Bring boots for water work. Seminar Fees: Working Dog team (limit of 12 dogs) $150 $125 for FLRC members Audit Spot (unlimited spots) $100 $75 for FLRC members Fees include lunch both days. There will be a pot-luck dinner Saturday evening. Hot dogs and hamburgers will be provided - please bring a dish to pass. The seminar is open to FLRC members only through April 15 and then will be open to all. There will be no refunds for working spots after June 1, 2016, unless we are able to fill from a waiting list. NOTE: All problems are welcome. Handlers can contact Sean directly before the seminar to discuss any specific problems they are having with their dog, Contact Sean either by: email [email protected] phone (419) 341-9558 For more information, contact Joe Martin, [email protected] or (315) 480-8612. Retriever Training Workshop with Sean Hager June 11-12, 2016 Registration Form NAME: _______________________________________________ PHONE: _______________________________________________ EMAIL: _______________________________________________ DOG’S NAME: ___________________________________________ DOG’S LEVELS (JH, SH, MH):______________________________ WORKING SPOT $150 (125 FOR FLRC MEMBERS) AUDIT SPOT $100 ($75 FOR FLRC MEMBERS) Raffles and door prizes provided by: Central New York Wildfowlers Purina Dogtra Field Proven Calls Avery Outdoors Please mail your registration form and check made out to FLRC to: Joe Martin 221 Wetmore Road Tully, NY 13159 We need a few workers for the day, to throw birds or plant blinds. Volunteer to help and get a FREE Audit spot for the weekend! First come, first served.

Here is quiz number 2 - have fun! http://goo.gl/vtJFkI

"ARGUMENT BY REPETITION" "argumentum ad nauseam" (also known as "proof by assertion") Description: Repeating an argument or a premise over and over again in place of stating supporting evidence. Explanation: Restating the same claims, even rearranging the words or substituting words, is not the same as making new claims, and certainly does not make the claims any more true.

Yes, a lot of this quiz is guessing, but the results are showing us everyone is guessing wrong on certain questions. And, that in turn, is showing us that the antis are doing a very good job at fooling the hunting community based on the way the correct answers are being assumed or guessed. Another quiz coming soon, stay tuned.

I do not know how investments work, however; one obvious thing stands out; if license buyers are saving millions of dollars, then it follows that the conservation fund is losing millions of dollars. The only way that cannot be the case, is if the return on investment equals or exceeds the lost revenue. Everyone keeps focusing on the conservation fund (balance) and neglects to consider the purpose of it. Our system of funding conservation was never intended to sustain state agencies on a shoestring budget. Insuring agency funding is sustained may be an argument with merit, however, the intent was to invest in the land, not in the STIP. Instead of the DEC receiving appropriations from the general fund to make ends meet,like every other state agency would do when struggling; the DEC is putting a portion of our license money into the general fund. On the face that reversed order of operations seems like a good idea; however it is compromising the natural resources the DEC is mandated to protect for every state resident, not just hunters.

Another thing I think is interesting is in the Governor's video he answers a question about what happens if the lifetime license sales do very well. His answer was that they were not expecting a "wind fall". I don't know the threshold were a "wind fall" starts, but thinking back to when this was all starting, and considering what is being reported presently, think the initial sales were greater then they expected.

I want to point out the irony of the Florida video.... For half the video it seems he only has a one dimensional perspective and that is - from the viewpoint of saving money..... Then, he makes several references to conservation funding, suggesting he has some understanding of the role of license revenue in conservation funding. He then infers the Florida Lifetime License is a boost to conservation funding. However, all the numbers he presented were savings to the individual hunter. With the information he gave, those savings only represents a lose in conservation revenue to the state of Florida. If Florida has an investment scheme like NY, he never mentioned it. He never backed up his claim that this regime was good for the state wildlife agency. He may have reasons which support his claim that he neglected to include. But it is more likely he is talking out of his hat without thinking like so many hunters and anti hunters do. What makes this especially ironic, is that although he gave this enough thought to compile an interactive spreadsheet and analyze various scenarios and calculate savings, break even points, and point of diminishing return; in his summary analysis he contradicts himself, and publishes the video without even realizing it....

Here are three videos: One is Cuomo and Martens on life time licenses. Another is a breakdown comparing the amount of money spent on annual licenses compared to a life time license. Remember, though, this video is about Florida, the dollars that COUNT are what goes to conservation, in NY only the interest from lifetime license revenue goes to conservation. So the total spent on annual licenses should be compared to the interest on Lifetime Licenses for NY. Comparing the total revenue annual licenses with total revenue lifetime does not compare amounts available for conservation... The short video is someones idea of a joke.

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