mike rossi

Might be a good book, I never read it. Book has sold a lot of copies, but are you familiar with the author? Bob Whele, pronounced "whaley" was from Henderson NY. He died about 10 years ago at a ripe old age. His English pointers were sold under the name elew- his last name reversed - which is how a lot of kennels are named. Whele is reported to have a back ground in genetics - which sounds more important to breeding bird dogs than it actually is... The other thing about Whele is he was a BILLIONAIRRE who inherited most of his wealth when he was in his twenties. Training hunting dogs is hard outdoor work. You can BS people, but you cant BS a dog... Not the line of work for the rich. Whele may have been the only billionaire bird dog trainer, but not the only wealthy one. Some of these rich guys hire trainers - some of those hired are good others are not. I never met whele, but others I met didn't work, didn't hunt, and certainly couldn't train a dog to drink water...

IMO, No, I have not seen any. However, the retriever vids & manuals tend to be better than the bird dog material. Although some I would never follow, others do have bits & pieces of good info - but it would be your burden to connect the dots. You are asking a much more difficult question than you think. Best thing to do is get in person instruction - but many trainers talk a real good talk but cant train or don't hunt in everyday situations. Some say check references - I say hunt with the person you are taking advice from or contracting to train your dog. Don't fall for excuses such as "I am working a young dog today" or I spend so much time training other peoples dogs I don't put much time into my own dogs". Believe me dog trainers & breeders are skilled liars... They should invest as much time understanding dogs & hunting as they do making up excuses & sales pitches. That isn't restricted to the so-called pro or commercial trainer, the so called amateur / hobby trainers at the clubs can be quite creative as well. I have been working on videos and books for some time and it just isn't a subject that lends well to instruction. If I eventually figure out how to produce something useful I will publish it. Its just easier to finish someone's dog than it is to teach the person to train their dog. Problem is the regulatory laws make it difficult to run a training business. Therefore there will be less & less trainers, especially those who actually know what they are doing. So I would say draw info from various sources, but use your own judgment on how good each bite of info is.

I don't have the names I don't live down there but you can google search them and they are also on face book.

Can you make your question more specific? Are you asking about legal access, physical access, where the birds are, or all of the above?

My advice isn't going to be popular, but from what you say you sound like you are a new hunter and have no experience with hunting dogs. I makes no sense whatsoever , IMO, to join a bird preserve if you don't have a bird dog. LI doesn't offer large expanses of upland bird habitat but it does offer large expanses of coast where countless waterfowl stage. A better option is the entire Atlantic coast which is pretty much open to you and harbors tens of thousands of wild, free ranging birds. Keep in mind however, don't expect to learn the ropes over a season and you will soon want a dog for waterfowl hunting. There are several retriever clubs that train together on LI and the English Labrador is the easiest breed on planet earth to train...

Here ya go... http://www.binghamton.edu/campus-recreation/outdoor-pursuits/index.html

When human predators hunt roosting areas, the birds often abandon the area indefinitely... If you want to keep birds in the area, don't hunt roosts and pass up shots at large flocks of birds.

She may have run over some, but she is def. altering the plant communities. The PGC is who decides the optimum plant composition and structure for wildlife not her...

Website & face book page in progress to post your videos of poachers, slob hunters, and animal activists. We got some old stuff to post, but here is the first of this season... Stay tuned and keep your cameras rolling! http://youtu.be/1j90HgEUlNg

I am not familiar with that recipe and I am not a cook, but I do know that frying often tightens meat, so it could turn out tough and chewy....

Pennsylvania could lose $27 million over bills to amend endangered species laws GOP measures would cost two state agencies more than 20% of their budgets, the U.S. Interior Department warns. August 28, 2013 HARRISBURG — Republican-backed bills to give the Legislature more control over the protection of endangered and threatened wildlife could cost the state more than $27 million annually, according to the federal government. If the bills become law, Pennsylvania could lose eligibility in two of the nation's oldest grant programs geared toward preserving, restoring and protecting wildlife and waterways, according to an Aug. 9 letter the state Game Commission got from the U.S. Interior Department's Fish and Wildlife Service. "I have significant concerns with this bill and the risk it presents to the Game Commission relative to loss of federal funding," wrote John F. Organ, chief of the division of Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration. But Rep. Jeff Pyle, R-Armstrong, the prime sponsor of the House bill, said the legislation does not strip the Game or Fish and Boat commissions of their authority. Rather, he said, the bill, which was the subject of a public hearing Monday, is meant to check the commissions' authority. Pyle said they are the only state agencies that do not have their policy decisions vetted through the Independent Regulatory Review Commission, which sets up public forums for new government regulations prior to final approval by lawmakers. The bill is needed, Pyle said, because the Game Commission made his local school district spend extra money to preserve Indiana bats, which are endangered, even though the bats were not on the land where a new school was being built. "Those guys are the judge, jury and executioner," he said. The threat of losing federal money is "hollow," Pyle added. House Republican Caucus lawyers, Pyle said, have assured him that the state would not lose federal money because other state agencies, such as the Department of Environmental Protection and the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources (DCNR) also have jurisdiction over environmental protection. "We got a bunch of safety checks built into this thing," said Pyle. Drew Crompton, chief of staff to Sen. Joe Scarnati, R-Jefferson, who has sponsored a similar bill in that chamber, said the federal government's concerns can "be easily addressed" in the legislative process. But Rep. Steve McCarter, D-Montgomery, a critic of the bills, said the threat of lost federal revenue should be taken seriously. The bills are meant to appease industry at the expense of the environment, he said, because they would create a prolonged, 11-step process to having species listed or delisted as threatened and endangered through the Independent Regulatory Process. "The chance of any species getting through the process would be impossible," McCarter said. In addition to putting the commissions under the scrutiny of the regulatory review process, the bills call for the commissions, plus the state Agricultural Department and DCNR, to create a centralized database to replace the decades-old computerized system of endangered species and fauna. The commissions argue that the database would jeopardize wildlife because it would pinpoint their locations. The bills also would require the agencies to remove species from the endangered or threatened lists within two years if the agencies cannot produce "acceptable data" that the species' numbers remain weak. The agencies also could not define new endangered or threatened species if their numbers are acceptable outside of Pennsylvania, or if they are not already covered under the federal Endangered Species Act. Those changes could make the state ineligible for federal funds, says Organ's letter to Game Commission Executive Director Carl Roe. According to the letter, Game Commission could lose $19 million — or 24 percent of its 2012-13 budget — because it may not be eligible for the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Program. The program dates to 1937 and is used to "restore, conserve, manage and enhance wild birds and mammals" while making their habitats accessible for hunting, shooting and other recreation. The Fish and Boat Commission could lose $8.3 million — 29 percent of its 2012-13 budget — from the federal Dingell-Johnson Sport Fish Restoration Program. That program, started in 1950 and modeled after Pittman-Robertson, seeks to make fishing and boating more accessible to the public. To be eligible for both grants, state have to have fish and wildlife agencies that have sole discretion over how revenue for fishing and hunting licenses are used. The agencies also have to have the authority to ensure "the conservation of fish and wildlife."

Another thing: Not only does NY operate with a conservation advisory board, so do other states and the Department of the Interior. (The Fish and Wildlife Service which administers the Pitman - Robertson and Dingell - Johnson federal funds is an agency within the DOI). The Sporting Conservation Council advises the secretary of the DOI on hunting and conservation issues. One of the owners of Cabela's was appointed to the board.

Doc, concise and to the point, I am going to use this unless you threaten to sue...

By the way, the references to migratory bird hunting and conservation are regarding the official name of the "duck stamp". Duck Stamp = Migratory Bird Hunting and Conservation Stamp

We can look like Holland in a few years, wind farms from border to boarder; coast to coast; and off coast. Add gas wells every square mile.... Wind turbines whack birds and bats - it will get interesting when the energy industry develops something that whacks whitetails...

True, my questions were pointed, but that is what it takes to get some peoples attention... Nevertheless, I would hedge my bet none of the people in that photo have ever hunted. That doesn't mean they necessarily oppose hunting, though some of them might. Duck stamp sales are being promoted to non hunters and it has caught on with the public at large. Duck stamps are also used as an entrance pass to the National Wildlife Refuge System which gets millions of visits per year. Both the US Fish and Wildlife Service and state wildlife agencies have been actively and aggressively engaging the non hunting public majority in conservation. More wildlife staff do not hunt than in the past and universities have identified this trend for some time. All of the above is not a "terminal prognosis" but hunters should be aware of this shift and they are not. Conservation revenue from the public at large is increasing while revenue from hunters is on a long term decline. One reason for less revenue from sportsmen is less people are hunting. Another reason is because of the choice of a few to lower sporting license fees, divert revenue, or object to fee increases. The volunteer base, which is also worth millions of dollars annually, has also shifted and is mostly non hunters. Most of these non shooting conservationists also contribute to NGOs such as Audubon. Hunters generally support second amendment groups such as the NRA and their county federation, but only a small percentage are involved with true conservation organizations. While it is accurate that sportsmen are the conservation leaders, the non hunting public has followed the sportsmen's lead and are now engaged in conservation and out number and out spend us. Taking complete credit and not acknowledging others (who happen to be doing more) will be looked upon as arrogant. Those who oppose hunting will use it as ammunition setting us up for a public opinion battle and the next question will be if the revenue from hunting and ecological services derived from hunting are still needed... Sportsmen like to show the future the past but need to begin to pay attention to what is going on in real time because that determines the future more precisely...

Is this the new face of conservation? Is this a sincere promotion of the federal migratory bird hunting and conservation stamp? Are they mocking hunters who 1) boast about paying for conservation / being conservationists? 2) take pictures of themselves posing with harvested game? This was in Western New York, by the way and is a movement not an isolated incident... The money and the volunteer hours they are donating is no small piddly amount either... On a related note the University of California and other colleges have acknowledged that most wildlife biology graduates have no experience with hunting which is different than in the past and quote: "People without any exposure to hunting will soon be managing hunters"

Since the possession limit is increased, I will provide you with a transfer tag to comply with the law and take them off your hands if you get any...

Federal bills like state bills, must pass two houses. Last I heard the farm bill was voted out but congress was working on some modifications to make everyone happy and pass it. Where they are in the process I don't know but at the time I posted this, the status was as described. The two articles you provided focus on the food stamp provisions of the farm bill. The conservation provisions are other parts, including "coupling conservation with farm insurance". The conservation provisions of the Farm Bill are arguably the most significant and successful conservation funding strategies. One reason that can be argued is that the majority of land is private, not public and Farm Bill conservation programs provide incentive for private landowners to be conservation friendly. You seem to be confused about the types of personalities who are in politics, either as elected officials or those appointed by elected officials to sit on boards such as CFAB and the FWMB. Pulling everyone's weight? That's the readers digest version. Let me rephrase it. One group of hunters donates their spare time and spare cash to NGOs (Non Government Organizations such as Audubon, Ducks Unlimited, etc..). They may "check off for wildlife" on there tax filing every year as well. They also buy hunting licenses and recognize the purpose for the fee they pay - some even buy an extra duck stamp and voluntary NY access & habitat stamp. And they buy all the sporting items subject to conservation excise taxes. Then there is another group of hunters. They buy sporting goods as well... They also buy licenses, but reluctantly. Some own land or belong to private hunting clubs - particularly the older and well financed hunters,. Some have no interest in any animal but what they hunt and a subset of that group only hunt one animal...

If you are able to bag some on your first season, you will find out.... Believe it or not they taste like roast beef... With game birds the meat closest to the bone isn't always the sweetest though , especially if gut shot or not cleaned carefully or laying out too long in the heat. but observe the law if you field dress game birds. In those situations the meat close to the guts (bone) might have a slight livery taste. Usually birds will taste better skinned and boned instead of cooked whole. Kill crippled birds as quickly & humanely as possible - they will taste better. Neck wringing doesn't work as advertised... Snow geese are good too don't let anyone fool you.

Corrections : PA: Sept. 2 – Sept. 28 bag limit 15 Oct. 26 - Nov. 30 bag limit 15 Dec. 26 - Jan. 1 bag limit 15 During the Sept. 2- Sept 28 portion of the dove season, hunting hours are noon to sunset. During the other seasons, hunting hours are one-half hour before sunrise to sunset. Possession limit is three time the daily bag limit. (Federal regulations allow the states to increase the possession limit and most states have - check each state.) Check all the other states for updated regs as well...

Staten Island Turkeys Will be Culled Despite Delay, Officials Say By Nicholas Rizzi on August 22, 2013 12:28pm | Updated on August 22, 2013 12:28pm@nickr15 twitterfacebookgooglepinterestredditstumbleuponemailshare Slideshow Staten Island Turkey Cull Will Continue OCEAN BREEZE — Despite facing building pressure to scrap a turkey cull on Staten Island, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said it hasn't turned chicken. A round-the-clock guard of protectors watching the birds at South Beach Psychiatric Center reported USDA officials hadn't hauled away any birds since Aug. 13. But a department spokeswoman said they still planned to send surviving turkeys to the slaughterhouse. “The (New York State Department of Environmental Conservation) permits allow for all to be removed, which would require several visits over some time,” said spokeswoman Carol Bannerman. “Biologists and specialists have been working on other projects and haven’t been to Staten Island this week.” Bannerman said the USDA hasn't scheduled when workers will start to round up the rest of the turkeys. The USDA started to round up the nearly 80 turkeys that live on the grounds of the psychiatric center and sending them to the slaughter house earlier this month. Workers had complained the birds were aggressive to staff, patients and visitors. They also said turkey feces were scattered around the grounds and traffic problems were caused by the fowl crossing Seaview Avenue. Nearly 50 people took to the grounds last week to protest the cull and an online petition to save the turkeys garnered nearly 6,000 signatures. Residents also started a 24-hour watch to keep an eye on the birds. “We’re just trying to keep this from happening,” Elisa DiSimone, an environmentalist who helped organize the watch, told DNAinfo.com New York. “We're really trying save this piece of Staten Island history.” DiSimone said they had three animal sanctuaries willing to take in the remaining turkeys that haven't been sent to the slaughterhouse yet. Because the flock contains hybrid turkeys — domestic turkeys which bred with wild turkeys — the state's Department of Environmental Conservation ruled that they could not be relocated. The DEC did not respond to request for comment.

Its a small minority pulling all the weight and a bunch of lightweights (mentally) who wont get out of the way. If the sporting culture doesn't evolve into a progressive one its doomed. Social change takes at least a generation (20 years?) and arises from the youth not the seniors... We might over ride the youth factor and accelerate progress with the recent interest in hunting from women. "foodies", and "locavores" but it will still take time, determination, and hard work...

Iowa’s Third Dove Season After Ten Years of this in Iowa: http://youtu.be/G5lJFMe7X0U Dove hunting interest remains high August 25, 2013 Hunter interest remains high heading into Iowa’s third mourning dove season. The 70-day season opens Sept. 1, with birds now pouring into Iowa on their southward migration. The number of hunters should edge upward, too. “I expect a little bump up in hunter numbers again as more of them learn about dove hunting. A few more friends will come along,” said DNR upland research biologist Todd Bogenschutz. Last year, 9,328 dove hunters harvested 94,864 birds, according to the postseason small game survey. That was up from 8,780 hunters, taking 57,285 mourning doves in 2011, the first year of dove hunting in Iowa. Iowa’s summer “call count” showed a stable local dove population early this summer. “Hunters are learning more about hunting and where to find doves,” said Bogenschutz. “That first week is good. It’ll drop off after the first killing frost, but there are great hunting opportunities throughout the two-month season.” The continent’s most populous game bird, doves will concentrate in fields that have been harvested or which have food plots — especially if bare ground is available. Rather than walking and flushing birds, camouflaged hunters should sit and wait near food sources, water or roosting locations. As with most upland species, weather is always a factor. A soggy April and May meant numerous fields did not get planted or were flooded. Bogenschutz said he has noticed plenty of fields in the past weeks which came up in weeds or which might have had a cover crop like winter wheat planted. Both offer great dove hunting, especially if disked to provide bare ground for feeding. Iowa’s best dove hunting is probably on public wildlife areas with sunflower plantings. Hunters increase their chances of success by scouting ahead of time; checking with wildlife biologists in their area, for locations of sunflower plots or — in the case of flooded fields — areas replanted late with cover crops. The Iowa DNR’s website www.iowadnr. gov has a variety of mourning dove hunting information. Mourning doves are classed as a federal migratory bird. A migratory bird fee is not required to hunt doves. Eight of the lower 48 states, NY, NJ, MA, Maine, VT, NH, Conn., and MI do not allow dove hunting. If you are interested in knowing why dove hunting is not allowed and how to make a change, follow our page and join our grassroots effort. https://www.facebook.com/pages/NY-Dove-Hunting/365031743546569?ref=hl In the last decade the states prohibiting dove hunting has been cut in half. Every one of these states had the same battle as Iowa as shown in the video. As a matter of fact, Michigan had established a season only to have it repealed three years later. Just recently Michigan passed a law designating their Department of Natural Resources as the authority on setting hunting seasons. However, an exception was made for one species – the mourning dove. Rhode Island, the only northeastern state besides Pennsylvania which allows dove hunting, recently fought off an attempt by the Humane Society of the US to repeal their dove season. The same anti-hunting organizations are targeting the same states, including NY just a few years ago to close down state pheasant farms and ban state pheasant release programs.

Tuesday, August 20, 2013 Waterfowl Hunting Permits Required for Opening Weekend of Duck Season at Oak Orchard and Tonawanda Wildlife Management Areas Applications for Permits Will Be Accepted Through September 15The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced that special permits will be issued for the opening weekend of duck season, allowing people to hunt waterfowl at two popular state-managed locations. The permit requirement applies to waterfowl hunting at the Oak Orchard and Tonawanda Wildlife Management Areas located primarily in Genesee and Niagara counties. The intent of the special permits is to promote hunter safety and increase the quality of hunting on days when the areas receive the greatest use. The special permit is required to hunt waterfowl at Oak Orchard and Tonawanda Wildlife Management Areas on the duck season's first Saturday and first Sunday. These days are the only times the special permits are needed; waterfowl may be hunted without a special permit at these locations during the rest of the season. The permit system has been used successfully at both wildlife management areas in recent years. Special permits are not required to hunt other game species at Oak Orchard or Tonawanda Wildlife Management Areas. Opening weekend waterfowl hunting permits for the two Wildlife Management Areas will be distributed by a random lottery. For each of the two days, DEC will issue 100 permits for Tonawanda Wildlife Management Area and 50 permits for Oak Orchard Wildlife Management Area. Hunters must choose from four options: Oak Orchard first Saturday; Oak Orchard first Sunday; Tonawanda first Saturday; and Tonawanda first Sunday. DEC also announced tentative 2013-2014 duck hunting season dates. Western New York's tentative opening day/weekend dates for duck hunting are Oct. 26 and 27. These dates will not be finalized until the federal regulations are adopted in late summer. This year goose season will be open during the opening weekend of duck season, and goose hunters are also required to obtain the special permit. Hunters are advised to confirm the final dates before hunting any waterfowl. To apply for the special permit lottery, hunters must send in a postcard with their name, address and their first three choices, in order of preference, clearly indicated. Applicants must also have completed a Waterfowl Identification Course, and their course certificate number must be indicated on the postcard. Applications will be accepted through Sept. 15, 2013, and must be mailed to the New York State Bureau of Wildlife, 1101 Casey Road, Box B, Basom, New York 14013. Each permittee will be allowed to bring one companion over the age of 18 and an additional companion 18 years old or younger. For more information, visit Waterfowl Hunting on Oak Orchard and Tonawanda web page. Duplicate permits will not be issued to hunters who have already been issued a permit to hunt on the Iroquois National Wildlife Refuge. Any cards submitted by hunters who have been selected to hunt on Iroquois on the first Saturday will be excluded from the lottery for that day at both Oak Orchard and Tonawanda. Issued permits are nontransferable and are not valid for companion(s) unless the permittee is present and hunting within 50 yards. The permittee is responsible for completing and returning the questionnaire portion of the permit to the New York State Bureau of Wildlife by November 15, 2013. If the completed questionnaire is not received by November 15, the permittee will be ineligible for next year's (2014) lottery. NYSDEC is also currently planning the annual Waterfowl Information meeting which is held at the Iroquois National Wildlife Refuge. This year the meeting will take place on the evening of Thursday August 29th starting at 7 pm. Wildlife Biologists from Iroquois National Wildlife Refuge and NYSDEC will discuss items of interest to waterfowl hunters in an informational and interactive forum. Topics to be covered include: Highlights of waterfowl management and research programs at the Iroquois National Wildlife Refuge, and Oak Orchard and Tonawanda Wildlife Management Areas; Waterfowl population survey results and other Atlantic flyway news and updates; New York state's waterfowl hunting season-setting process; and, The 2013-14 duck and goose hunting seasons, and suggestions for future seasons.