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I think that ruling was exclusive to that case, they made no changes to the law as a result.

I will go back and look, not really looking for what people say, that would make my head spin.............I'll go look for how the bills were presented

I was under the impression that the crossbow advocates are saying that crossbows are a primitive weapon and offer no advantage over a compound.......I didn't get that from NYB, in fact they say there is a HUGE advantage, that's why they don't want them..........did I miss something?

the big difference is one is legal and one is not, if you saw your neighbor walk out of his house and go to his stand carrying a crossbow would you feel the same way?...if you saw your neighbor dragging a buck that you've been watching all year,and knew it was taken by illegal means, would you feel the same way? if you knew your neighbor used a spotlight to kill one or two does a year is that ok?

maybe the argument that crossbows are of no advantage over a compound bow is what's killing this issue...if it's of no advantage then why bother allowing it?

I was just saying that having an advocate speak up to have crossbows legalized for the physically challenged hunter would be a good way to get a foot in the door to have them legalized for big game......if there was a big enough voice for this, they might get someone's ear as opposed to having able bodied hunter's pushing for it at this point.

I would guess that feeding / baiting is an epidemic in NY, unless there are some other allegations to go along with the feeders, they can't won't or can't look into every complaint.....we have a neighbor who calls on anyone about anything, we've always been visited by the NY State PD, DEC or whoever, looking into everything he calls about..........all unfounded BS, but they say they have to follow up on all calls.

we're taking NY were it's not legal, if it weren't this topic would be a non-issue..........back when feeding deer was legal, I had a non-hunting acquaintance who bought a piece of property and took up feeding the deer regularly, what began as 1 or 2 visiting, turned into 8-10 does that showing up and actually began bedding within sight of the house, they had no reason to leave, I always believed the best way to find the bucks is to find the does.......I would find it hard to believe this didn't affect people who hunted around this area in some way or another............if it's illegal, that's it, why should some scumbag get an unfair advantage over the rest of the hunter's who follow the rules, and I would guess that the guy baiting is doing so just to kill any deer, and would probably have no problem shooting that mature buck after hours or out of season if the opportunity was to present itself.

how would some of you react if a neighboring landowner was baiting heavily to the point that it affected your hunting? it's easy to say mind your own business, until it affects you directly.

I'm sure there's no shortage of hunter's in NY who use some type of bait to assist them in their hunting..........if there wasn't a viable market here for that crap, I'm sure the shelves wouldn't be stocked in every large sporting goods store..............it would be interesting to see how much the corn sales increase right around hunting season.

now I got what you're saying..........I think that many think if they vote in the right people, they will have all this nonsense reversed, but I don't see that happening.

the only problem now, is no matter who gets voted in or out, I can't see any politician saying, "assault weapons and high capacity magazines for everyone!"...........I think the best we can hope for is to keep what we have and maybe sensible modifications to what has already been made law.

good point.......... if an organization of disabled hunters started the movement to have crossbow's added to the archery season, based on the needs of the physically challenged ONLY, and had a politician to bring the fight to Albany for them, I would think Albany would look pretty bad if they didn't give it serious consideration.

I've come to the conclusion that they don't take the time to read individual letters, it's more a matter of quantity than quality........and until NYS makes a crossbow a legal implement, and as of now I don't think they will be allowed in any season, there are provisions for disabled hunters to hunt during archery season using the legally allowed implements.............as pathetic as those provisions are.

you can probably pick up half a dozen plastic mallards from any of the big outdoor stores fairly cheap, or even used on ebay........they'll do the trick on any of the puddle ducks.

I'm going to say no, they're a lot more wary than the bay ducks.

I just saw a quick story on my local news that reported an Apellate court has ruled that the new laws are constitutional, don't infringe on 2nd Amendmant rights and refused to block them....does anyone have any more info on this?

you gotta love the "I'd shoot them" people.........

I'd be a little concerned giving deer a product that's engineered for cows.........especially if they get a large dose at once.

I was using "you" as a generic term, I didn't mean to suggest that is how yourself or all lawyers operate.

right, but right or wrong, if the family files a 20 million dollar lawsuit, and you know they'll walk away with at least half of that, you'd be willing to take the case based on your cut of that pay out..........and like I said earlier, it's why anybody is in the business they are are in..........even if recklessness can't be shown there will more than likely be a wrongful death suit...........and once again, not bashing your profession at all.

I'm sure they will get some money in a lawsuit, they will find a lawyer to represent them and in the long run it's cheaper for a municipality to pay out then it is to fight a long drawn out court battle........and this is in no way a dig at anyone who may be a lawyer, we all pick a profession to make make money.

isn't that the way of the world we live in?

unfortunately, time isn't always on your side.....and that seems to be the difference between the two.

I don't think I can make the call that the Nassau cop was wrong, from reports he had the gun turned on him and that's why he fired...........tough situation, I can't say he should have allowed himself to be shot if that's how he perceived what was going to happen, like they say, you can you from a hero to a zero in a split second...........I'd rather go home to my family and deal with the rest as it plays out, either way two families will be forever changed by that event.