jjb4900

no thanks....

I think that drawing a bow without being detected is quite possibly one of the greatest challenges of bowhunting , that and having to hold at full draw waiting for the right shot to present itself...those two, and being able to rest your crossbow on your knee or shooting rest as you watch your target make that slow approach from 100 yards away, are the biggest differences between longbows and crossbows...............

better yet, take the two earlier weeks that were given to archery and designate them primitive bow only and give the old season dates to modern bows...I'll be more than happy to get a recurve for those two earlier weeks and pick up my compound afterwards and you can use your crossbow if you so choose.

of course I know what I'm talking about, it's MY OPINION.......I don't recall stating any fact anywhere in my post......and yes I would have no problem giving traditional archery a shot before all the rest, much like I feel traditional muzzleloaders are a different animal than the inlines that are now considered muzzleloaders.......and if someone's participation in the sport hinges on whether or not they can use a certain weapon, then yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about............like I said before, why not just have a "deer season" and tell everyone you're allowed to get your deer anyway you want?

since archery season was given the Oct. the 1st opener, why not give crossbow the week before the opener of regular season? I'm all for everyone having a chance to use their weapon of choice in some capacity.

I'll agree with you.........I didn't take up or stick with bowhunting because it's more challenging, I enjoy the quietness and solitude of it, the less people I see out there, the more I enjoy myself..........the same reason I've gotten more involved in the late muzzleloader season.

I call BS... it does not extend your effective range only the ease of shooting that far... there are ppl who kill deer/elk at 50 or 60 yrds w a bow... I know some of them................so you agree it makes things easier? kind of a silly statement if you ask me.

if using a crossbow was considered true archery I might agree.

right, but I'm assuming the anti crossbow people feel that if DEC is given the regulatory authority to govern the use of crossbows in any season, their ultimate intention is to put them in archery season, thus getting their foot in the door to push it into archery season.

my guess is the anti crossbow people feel if they give an inch, they will eventually lose a yard, and the pro crossbow people feel if they gain an inch they will eventually gain a yard.....sadly they will never sit down and come to a compromise.

I don't think it does, that's why this thread is titled "if you're AGAINST crossbows during archery season.".......it's not a pro crossbow bill.

for some disabled hunter's, just getting into the woods is more of a challenge then any of us will ever face................I say we need to make changes to the laws governing crossbow use for the physically challenged.

From DEC's Website.........."DEC's goal is to eradicate Eurasian boars from the state's landscape. In New York, people with a small game hunting license may shoot and keep Eurasian boars at any time and in any number. All other hunting laws and firearms regulations are still in effect when shooting Eurasian boars. If you are in an area that prohibits the use of rifles during big game seasons, you cannot use a rifle to shoot Eurasian boars during any open deer season (including archery seasons). Please remember that it is illegal to discharge a firearm within 500 feet of a school, playground, church, dwelling, farm building, or occupied structure. You need to obtain permission of the landowner to enter any lands you do not own."

if you decide to go with a 20 gauge 870, get the adult size.....I have a youth stock my son has outgrown, more than willing to hook you up with it.

my son shoots a 20 gauge 870, get the full size gun and buy a youth stock to put on it....a lot cheaper than buying another gun.......and to be quite honest, 20 gauge isn't only a good starter gun, but can pretty much get the same job done as a 12 gauge.............the 870 is a great gun and won't break the bank.

the bottom line is baiting / feeding is illegal in NY......end of argument as far as NY is concerned.

I have two dachshunds that I can't educate..I couldn't imagine trying to educate a wild dog.....Lol

and as in my earlier post about my friends non-hunting parents who fed the deer regularly, the 1 or 2 deer who came on a daily basis, quickly turned into 8-10 who would come to eat and before long just saw no reason to leave....they would bed within sight of the house and after awhile, had little fear of humans.....to say that baiting doesn't affect deer movement and throw off their natural habits is ridiculous.

yes, a coyote caught on a trail camera carrying away a fawn has a bigger impact than a raccoon that's never seen eating an entire nest of turkey eggs.

There's a lot of very understanding ECO's and Police Officer's out there that are not looking to bust balls about petty stuff, probably a lot more than one's looking to split hairs and dig for a violation...but, if you're walking the line of what may be considered illegal, I'd be careful.

the "he himself would have no problem with it", say's enough.....not every ECO has that same view................unless you're told outright it's legal, I'd be a little wary.

there's a lot of destructive wildlife out there that impact our game species, my guess is the turkey population takes a big hit from to fox, raccoon, opossum, you name it...but there's hardly an outcry to open year round seasons on them.......I think it would be a tough argument to be allowed to single out the coyotes, especially since deer are far from an endangered species.

back when feeding deer was legal, I could go months without putting food out, and as soon as a pile of corn was dumped on the lawn we would have deer coming in all times of day to eat......maybe not mature bucks, but does and smaller bucks came in like crazy..........it would get to the point where if we saw a doe near the house, I could walk past her, go to the shed, get the food and dump the corn 20 yards from her...........to say it offers no advantage is silly, especially if your looking to shoot any deer.

I think the threat of a long range accident is minimal.......even in the counties were rifles have always been legal, most accidents are close range, and the majority are from people in the same hunting party.

buying handguns out of state and smuggling them back to NY so no one would know about them.........interesting thought...note I said "thought".