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This is what I have been doing and what I have thought but thought it was a valid question worth asking. Thanks Pygmy.

When shooting target at 15 - 20ft I use both a .38 and a .380. 1) With the .38, how much difference do you think it makes with a 125gr or 158gr or 129+P. Is there much recoil difference? Reason I ask is I have 129+P self defense but use 158gr standard for target. Perhaps I should use a 125gr standard for target. 2) Same with .380. I have Hornady 90gr+P for carry but target shoot 90gr. I hate to shoot up the +P rounds as they more expensive but want to do what is best. Maybe at the close ranges it really doesn't matter. Any thoughts on this?

So handgun ammo is the only item it make no difference huh!

excellent

Both the rep at Gander and online reading indicate a round tip is better than a hollow point for this gun as it will penetrate deeper.

No need to rack. Just a release button and the barrel pops up. Put in a shell and push it back down. You're ready to go. See pics.

Sorry... no it's a 22LR. I have read reviews that actually have said the 22LR is a better caliber than the .25. No hollow point either as you want deeper penetration.

She does not know this yet and still has to take the course and go thru the bullsh*t. What a great little gun. I had no plans to buy anything but when I saw it I thought... perfect for the wife. Nothing to rack. (see pics) Excellent safety. Single or double action. Small and lightweight like an .380LCP. 7in magazine +1. Only draw back aside from underpowered is you need to shoot the premium ammos. Another $2 a box for 50 I can take. Everything i have read says it shoots quite well and accurate. Was really having a problem deciding on a first CCW for her and think will do the job. As one person said to me "if someone pointed it a you are you gonna ask what caliber it is?"

Thanks... also now looking at the SW Shield in 9mm

I have a 38 and 380 and looking into something a bit bigger but still compact. The SW 380 BG is a great gun... love it as well as my SW 38 Revolver BG but thinking about adding a 9mil to the collection. Personally and this only my thoughts, I can not see having a handgun that I can not comfortably carry concealed. So size is still the most important point to me. I been researching the Sig P290 and think this fits the bill. Your thoughts?

I been noticing that 22 LR and Mag as well as 223 ammo is gone in stores and online. Also some stores have very little .380 and .38 ammo and online all back order. Gander said when they get a shipment they dole out limited numbers to buyers.

Agree... we have one on each of our muzzleloaders and my sons 243 all w/o BDC though. I don't care for those BDC.

Here is a local upstate company in Utica, NY actually new Hartford who did 2 holsters for me. http://www.holsterpro.com/

WNY... that is exactly the sig I would purchase if I bought another 380. Perfect choice. Rosewood too.

Can you accept any of theses? Are there any you absolutely can "not" accept? Today, the President announced that he and the administration will: Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. Nominate an ATF director. Provide law enforcement, first responders and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. Launch a national dialogue led by [Human Services Secretary Kathleen] Sebelius and [Education Secretary [Arne] Duncan on mental health.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism. We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day. Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people. Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States. As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”. Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute- Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it. Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people. Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

http://www.newsmax.com/surveys/GunControl/Should-Obama-Increase-Federal-Gun-Control-/id/64/kw/default?PROMO_CODE=11EC7-1

My son and I took a walk today to see the deer trails. We came across several places on the trails where the snow was blue. Yes actually blue like windshield wiper fluid, maybe not quite that blue but without a doubt, blue. Perhaps deer urine that has a chemical reaction to the snow from something they have eaten. Has any one else ever seen this. Your thoughts.

I believe the NRA said they will use a different angle and meet with Senators, Congressmen and Governors who want to talk openly about solutions. I stand corrected, here is the exact quote: The NRA says that they will now move on from working with the White House to members of Congress from both parties “who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works – and what does not.”

I wanted to "Share the following article but there wasn't a share option if you can believe that! Anyway, it is very well written and certainly gives food for thought ---Here ya go...warning, it's long but a good read: Sense, Sandy Hook & The Second Amendment December 29th, 2012 Sarah by Dan Blanchard It hardly seems possible that scarcely two weeks has passed since the tragic events of the 2nd Friday in December in Newtown, Connecticut. Already, so very much has been said and written in attempts to account for the “whys” of it all. Much of that has been expressed sincerely, and out of a nationally shared sense of unquantifiable anguish and loss. But much has also been a rush to judgment by those whose agenda is so patently obvious, and whose goal is so terribly transparent, that it’s impossible to hide. An immediate response when driven by intense and conflicting emotions reduces most “dialog” to knee-jerk reactions, not common sense solutions. So, in days since, we’ve witnessed Dan Malloy, Connecticut’s governor assert that “there are no answers.” Not true. Then, Wednesday saw massive gun “buy backs” in Oakland and San Francisco where, presumably it was somehow believed that criminals would show up in droves and just voluntarily relinquish their guns. End result? The law-abiding citizens of those cities went to bed that night just that much more vulnerable to and, therefore, more likely to be victimized by those who refused to be disarmed. And the Governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, said Thursday that “confiscation” of guns from those who have broken no laws should be “on the table” when their state legislature convenes in January. Target: “Assault weapons” with “high capacity magazines.” There’s just one problem. No such weapon was used in the Sandy Hook tragedy. The guns that were used do not fall under the “assault weapon” category. The killer (whose name shall not be acknowledged here) did have such a rifle in his possession—but chose that morning, to leave it in his mother’s car. What do we make of all this? As freedom-valuing, liberty-loving people? What should be our optimal response? 1) Don’t Disarm the Innocent. Over the past week, 90 million law-abiding citizens who own over 300 million guns committed no crime. There has never been a more ludicrous “strategy” than to confiscate the guns of those who do not misuse them. I used to coach Little League baseball. In the unlikely event one of my players were to brandish a baseball bat threateningly (not an arbitrary illustration as, among non-gun related homicides in the US, the baseball bat is the #1 weapon of choice), what should be my response? To tell the rest of my players that no one will be allowed to use their baseball bat and that they will be confiscated immediately? Disarming the innocent emboldens criminals and makes us all more defenseless against criminal intent. This is why the Second Amendment matters now—and may be needed now—more than ever. One of the more fundamental rights of a free people is to be able to defend ourselves and protect those we care about from harm. 2) Better Understand Human Nature. At the very core, human beings are fundamentally selfish and self-serving creatures. If you don’t believe that, you’ve never been around a two-year old or scanned the headlines of your morning paper. The Founders knew this. It’s why they referenced Nature’s God four times in the Declaration of Independence—to remind us all from where our rights originate. John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned, “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Fisher Ames, a relative unknown among the signers of the Declaration of Independence wrote: “Our liberty. . . is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs…” It is far more prudent and practical to equip people to self-govern rather than to leave them as highly educated, self-seeking citizens who seek to benefit self at the expense of others. And there are those, whose minds are so devoid of such crucial values, who have so thoroughly annihilated their own conscience that hurting another for their own ends becomes a behavioral option. Implications? This explains why laws do not prevent crime. Laws simply identify and define a crime as such. The two who went on a mass-murdering spree at Columbine in 1997 broke no less than eighteen gun control laws. Does anyone really believe a nineteenth would have stopped them? It is only a mind that has been taught to value life and a heart that has learned compassion that keeps one human being from doing harm to another. This is why a decal placed on a window by a school’s entrance boldly stating “Gun Free Zone” is meaningless. One with criminal intent, absent the aforementioned values, has zero regard for such a sign whatsoever. Places that post such signs, such as schools, theaters and malls, all venues where large numbers of people gather, are simply telling those determined to do violence that they can have a field day. Such persons can only understand a sign on a school that says something like this instead: “Any attempt to enter this building with the intent to harm any of our students or staff, WILL be met with deadly force.” 3) Acknowledge That Guns Are Morally Neutral Objects. The phrase “assault weapon” is itself derogatory by design. It assumes that the purpose of the gun possessed is, in fact, to be used to maim or kill another human being. Anything, when placed in the hand of one whose heart’s intent is bent on doing harm, becomes an “assault weapon.” Cain killed Abel with a rock. There was no outcry against the NRA (National Rock Association?) to ban rocks. In 1991, a 63 year-old Ohio man killed his wife of 30 years with a banjo. The point? Anything can be employed as an aid to facilitate another’s death. A more relevant analogy? About 16,000 people are killed in alcohol-related auto accidents (about 60% more than are killed annually by guns.) Do we blame “society” if a drunk driver careens into a crowd of people and kills several? Do we ban the make and model of the car he was driving? Confiscate the cars of all those who did not commit vehicular homicide? Or do we hold the individual accountable for his own condition of heart, mind and body? You know the answers. The best way to honor Daniel, Olivia, Josephine, Ana, Dylan, Madeleine, Catherine, Chase, Jesse, James, Grace, Emilie, Jack, Noah, Caroline, Jessica, Avielle, Allison and Benjamin is neither to abandon the Second Amendment nor the common sense principles behind it.

Good for them!!!!!!!

Dad kills mom and then himself. Big proponents of gun rights movement too. So sad these kind of senseless killings continue. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/gun-toting-soccer-mom-found-shot-dead/#.UO7oq-REGSp

I know I posted this pic a while ago but thought I'd post again. I believe there are 99 or 100 yotes. They were taken by these guys during one winter, I think 2010. They did not all hunt together all the time but each of them were involved on different hunts. Near Waterville, NY southern Oneida County.

Yep... that's the answer

only if it can hold more than 10 rounds. 22. "ASSAULT WEAPON" MEANS ANY: (A) SEMI-AUTOMATIC OR PUMP-ACTION RIFLE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: (I) A PISTOL GRIP; (II) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (III) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (IV) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT ENCLOSES THE BARREL; OR (V) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; ( SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL, OR ANY SEMI-AUTOMATIC, CENTERFIRE RIFLE WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; © SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: (I) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets [ ] is old law to be omitted. LBD05841-02-3