nyantler

Guilty!

I paid $100 for a super sportsmens license, that is cheap for one year of hunting and fishing. Less than $10 a month... where are you going to get a better deal than that when it comes to doing something you love?

no.. there is already a balanced age structure in the doe herd.. but not a good representation of each age group in bucks and antlers for some reason just seem to get bigger as a buck ages... I can't figure it out!

-11 here in Kirkville NY.. ???

Show me how I side stepped... you aren't making any sense Rocket. Have you been drinking?

nearly every state in the country has a more expensive non-resident licence than NY.

You mean the earth isn't flat??? Right! Next thing you'll tell me is that there is no Santa Claus.. ??? who said anything about wanting older deer.. I said a balanced age structure.. you see Rocket? you just aren't getting it.

I use to carry them out on my back.. but the big boys hurt a little too much now trying to get them up on my back..or maybe I'm getting a bit smarter... I usually drag them to a location I can find again and go get reinforcements

I'm fine with my nasty old big buck venison.. tastes just fine to me

You are a hoot Rocket.. kinda like trying to explain things to my kids when they were young... sometimes I think I'm gonna pee my pants laughing when I read your posts..

ok let me say it slower so you can understand Rocket... B a l a n c i n g... t h e... b u c k... a g e ... s t r u c t u r e... simple as that...

As a Headhunter...I'm not even sure how to respond to that!! :

Ok but why does it also have to be the age where the body starts failing so you can't get far into the woods?? Well, I guess it's as good an excuse as any for the guys who simply don't like getting to far off the beaten trail.

Very nice... so the legislature can't vote to tap into that money if they feel the need?

Tell me thats not cool!!! I want one!

Me too, are we guaranteed that we will not be required to pay more for that license? So then that means you fellas are done putting money into the system for conservation?

This was the only way I could get these up hope you find a way to be able to read it... it was written in November of 1995.. click next to the paper clip where it says QDM# and it should pop up on your computer where you can increase the size to read it.

Hope this will work

I will pay whatever.. I've spent more money on a weeks vacation and not had as good a time as I have during my almost 3 months of hunting.

Steve I believe you posted the QDM plan on another thread... that is the basic QDM concept developed nearly 17 years ago here in NY and implimented at Weller Mountain under the supervision of Dr. Grant Woods.. I spoke on QDM in the mid 90's at the Whitetail Classic along with Charlie Alshiemer who spoke on it there as well when 95% of NY hunters didn't even know what QDM was, I partipated in the plan at Weller Mountain and wrote an article on Weller Mountain in my magazine on the data collected at the time. If you look back on other threads here you will read that my OPINION is that I am for voluntary AR and have practiced it since 1991, I am not a believer in point restrictions as the best means to protect yearling bucks. I also have stated that I it doesn't matter to me what the DEC does or doesn't do in the way of AR because my personal standards are probably much higher than anything they would mandate anyway. You will also find that I posted that AR's alone don't make up a good management plan and all aspects of deer management must be looked at in all different types of NY habitat because a broad management mandate will not work the same in every WMU in NY.. Like most uninformed hunters you all are quick to jump on a sentence or two posted answering a direct question of my opinion on that particular question .. My OPINION is that AR is an integral part of any management plan because it develops a balanced buck age structure in a whitetail herd... but I am not in favor of using AR to simply to produce bigger bucks.. that just happens to be the by-product of a balanced age structure. Im have also written that I am not a fan of the current approach by the QDMA to promote food plots to emhance antler growth or to keep deer isolated to a particular area.. I believe one of my post says that I was disappointed that current QDM promotion is not quite the same as the orignal concept that I spoke on in the mid 90's

"and yes I am an authority on the plan..." Lets see your credentials! Are you published? Who has recognized you as such an authority? Have any of your peers (sic) referenced in their published scholarly works referenced you? Until then, I cannot take you seriously. Your focus is on one aspect of deer management AR and does not account for the cause and effect AR has on overall deer management. The DEC's methods of Deer management is the best we have with the funds available to them. Take their advice and voluntarily practice AR. It would be best for all concerns. Take the "Einstein" comment as a compliment! Yes I am published.. and like I said do your homework.. don't take my word for it? And I don't care about you taking me serious or not. I am not promoting any AR plan here and I was only asked a question about AR only... i was simply offering my opinion on a question directed to me on this thread. you need to learn a little more about me before you make any assumptions about my stance on AR and or deer management as far as NY is concerned.. first try looking back at some of my earlier posts in the forum concerning the subject. Then come back again and we can discuss what you think you know.

First of all the staus quo is the reasson we're even talking about this.. second I was asked a question not based on DEC funds, just a question about what I thought would be better than 3 pts on a side for protecting yearling bucks. And third.. you're right there are other factors and there is a price to pay for AR.. neither one of which needed to be discussed in my anwser to bubba.

Not a bad idea..might take a bit longer to work without some kind of AR to protect yearlings.. but not bad

Ahh the name calling starts.. usually the response when you don't have a valid point to make... I don't have to lay it out .. the plan has been layed out for year... and yes I am an authority on the plan... Do your homework first then come back and we'll have an educated discussion about it. Actually, I'm sure you already know what needs to be done without me telling you, you're just not ready to accept it like most other hunters.

Just wondering how old you are? the fact that you use age 40 as the cutoff point makes no sense.. and I can name a ton of guys I know that are over 40 that shoot down your theory. It's nothing more than an excuse to bitch. I'll even go farther and tell you that I know out of shape, overwieght guys that hut the adirondacks and get back into the wood a long way from their truck and still find a way to get their deer out.. They don't use their age or their condition as an excuse to find a good place to hunt Here again I guess its just a matter of how badly you want a good hunting experience