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This article is on their websiter and in print. It is legit. There is strong consideration to move a period of time of the first part of early archery in the sz areas where overpopulation exists to antlerless only. I can't yell loud enough from the rafters that I think the idea sucks as bad as anything I've seen considered, ever. It's a knee jerk reaction - and I don't really think this was clearly spelled out in their five year plan, at least not like this. The antlerless mz season was, and implementing an antlerless season was talked about, but not taking away current time and making it antlerless....

Browning sold.

I still don't understand why they cap the ability for hunter to obtain DMPs in units where harvest increases are needed. It makes no sense, if Bob the hunter is willing to lay down some doe meat, let him. Why limit him? Fear of localized over-harvest is all they can come back with - BUT - How the heck can that be a concern when they're saying things are so bad they want to implement doe only seasons after the gloom and doom numbers they are tallying for 2014. I have a real disconnect with these thoughts as I know most of the people saying them. They don't have a good answer either.

While I know you are thinking about herd reduction, there are some things the state does that is not herd reduction, but herd management. If herd reduction was the goal, there would be DMPs is more areas out east/dacks. The areas with no DMPs alloted is actually aimed to GROW the deer population. I don't see how you could say not issuing DMPs is a reduction goal for the population.

They are not all of our pics, that's for sure. A few to get them started but now the submissions are starting to come in.

Thanks, send it over to me either at the email address or message and I'll get it up! So far it is closing in on 400 likes in 36 hours.

The second sentence is in contrast to the first, lol. AR will expand likely at some point though; I think most people believe it will exist in larger areas of the SE and E part of the state. Also, I think the effort to lump the WMUs together to regionall/locally manage is likely, too.

You may be part of a very small minority then because there is an inherent reason, its not possible yet en masse. Because, the cam market is growing and consumers are proving that uour viewpoint is not as widely held as you would believe. While consumers may believe they want a 100 dollar cam that lasts years and years, it is not preventing them from buying. The technology/logisticsanufacturing base simply isnt there yet. That meams client satisfaction is higher than the resistance of the client base toward quality.Just because you have a few that last a very long time doesnt meam it is possible at this point and time to have a higher product lifespan for a much higher percentage of the products. Alot of factors go into it, including you, as to how long the cams live. Maybe the cams that failed were (speaking in generality) your fault, ever think of that? Ever bring a cam in cam from the outside and leave the cam closed or battery door shut? That can force condensation into the cam through pressurization. Even dedicated homebrewers have problems with their cams. Know what their angle is with them? Better quality photos, but surprisingly not longer product life, rather they tout the ability to repair the cam in-house. Even they expect to have the cams break, with parts 20 to 30x more expensive/higher quality. If a company could make a cam with very very low return rates, other companies would go under quickly. Very quickly. Nobody can do that right now.

If you think Cuddeback has reliability reputation...phew. They got thrashed a few years back because their reliability fell like a rock AND service went down the tubes. The new e/c class cams are the first to really turn the tide of several years of crummy performance. For every person who can claim X manufacturer is good, there is another person who can claim the same cam model was crap for them. Bushnell aslo had a major issue with the 2010 trophy cams - they went from a strong cam to one of the worst model year to model year. Part of the quality factor is that most every cam model made in China has times where the production runs stop, and a replacement part is entered into the equation. If you have two of the same cam models from different batch numbers, chances are there is a component that is different - it might be similar, it might not be. Then you throw into the mix that many of the different model cams are made on the same factory line...stealth and moultrie are on the same line this year I believe. How can one have quality and the other not? Look at Reconyx - they promised a cam that they ultimately delivered nearly 2 years after they promised it to be delivered (ultrafire). Everyone said "that is great, that is refreshing to see them hold a cam back to get it right." Heck, a week after it was released consumers were beating Reconynx's door down because of all the cam's under-performances. There's a reason why the HC500 and HC600 are still being made and sold by Reconyx. And, those cams are not $100...they are the equivalent of strapping FIVE $100 bills to the tree. And they still can't make they do what they say they will. So who can? Someone with lofty expectations, that is who. Haven't seen it done yet. The real differentiator is the service. If the cam craps out within warranty, the service should be there to stand up to it. Outside of warranty, take the nice guy approach and you might get lucky. Sometimes you don't. So, no excuses. If you went to a trail cam enthusiast forum and said Cuddeback has proven me reliable, you'll get the "want to buy me a lotto ticket?" response from forum members. The end point is that its a crapshoot because consumers expect it, despite complaints, and they go buy more. No company is forcing them to buy the cams and hunters got bucks well before the advent of cams. Consumers just set the bar for expectations - not companies. If durability was that big of an issue, the trail cam market wouldn't be growing like it is because the money wouldn't be there.

I'm not into posting my inventory. I don't like leaving evidence for my wife or making me feel like I am an addict/degenerate, lol.

Save for regulated industries, the consumer sets the expectation. Thats business 101. Customers will not buy a product if it doesn't match expectations long-term. I think everyone wants the most for their dollar. The problem with that is there are limits from time to time as to how far $100 will go. That $100 cam ten years ago would have also cost you $7 every 24 pictures and a trip to the photo store. Nothing like chomping at the bit to see the pics to find one doe and 23 pictures of a squirrel, reeds blowing, and maybe a coon. Certainly a long ways from that, even if the cam only runs two years - in the end you are way ahead of processing costs. I have a black 60 that probably has 30k photos snapped, and that's a drop in the bucket. THe poor film cams probably would have crapped out by then due to mechanical failure.

If you have no need for it, throw it on ebay for no reserve and charge $8 or so for shipping to cover the cost. If you get $15 or $20, it is a winner for you comparatively.

Precisely. Most cams that cost $100 do not have coated internals and only some have sealed compartments to hold the internals. The Reconyx-like cams...coated internals. And, guess what...that is why the cam is so expensive.

Sounds like there is room in the market for that kind of brillance. You'd think that a company like Vista - which is one of the highest ranked Fortune companies in America - would know they could make money if it were in their grasp to do so. Electronics are borderline planned obsolesence, and that's just cell phones, TVs, iPads, etc. None of them sit outside on a tree when it is -10 degrees and we're inside on the couch by the fire using the iPad. Vista Outdoors - just a tiny portion of that ownership - had sales revenue of $2.3B last year. Their organic growth year over year is 20% since 2003. That kind of performance is not only amazing, but envious. They know how to design and sell products. You should write them and tell them that it is unacceptable - they might hire you full-time to show them the light. The expectation that a $100 product with electronic and moving parts should last more than a year or two outside in the elements is a bit of a mismatch in my book.

I run around 20% too. And 8 cams is a down time for me, lol. I find if a cam runs out of the gates well and stays good for a few months, it'll end up lasting a while I tend to find failures happen pretty quickly, or you end up getting your money's worth. I have much fewer cams start to go bad between 6 mos. and 2 yrs. unless something happens to it (leaks from case warping, etc.).

Primos moved to a new factory in 2014. Ultras made in the new factory are much better - not perfect, but definitely not the cams of 2013.

This is where the disconnect is. Cameras are out in the elements with alot of factors that give them problems. That's not to say quality can't be better, but the expectation that a $100 cam should last more than a year or two outside, seems foolish to me. Do you know how much stuff this winter stopped working? Yet we think a $100 cam should be infallable? Cams aren't static either...they have boards, lenses, filters, filter arms, sensors, sd card slots, etc. You have currents/voltage attempting to make a mechanical arm move and a camera shutter operate.

Great catch! They are hard to get on cam!

In all honesty it is beacause of two reasons. Likely the highest property value in the county and some of the most restricted access due to a large non hunting area. That is the jist of it.It is the perfect example of the right small acreage.

Reconyx for the most part, but I am not sure if they are 100% USA parts. Another cam company is coming out soon with a large % of US parts (some China) but assembled in US, which should bode well for quality control. The key with China cams isn't the fac they break, its the customer service of the distributor.

Pretty much any camera made in China will result in the distributor/vendor saying they do not repair cams. This isn't so much a repair as it is replacing a battery if one exists. Usually the batteries you insert (AAs) will charge the internal battery to maintain time. Somtimes there is a watch battery used as well. You have nothing to lose by opening it, really. Primos also moved to a new camera manufacturer in 2014, so the 2014 models have marked improvement. The software still needs to be worked on (largely because of sd card reading issues) and there is some interest in their new 2015 line. The 2014s when they work, take pretty good pics.

You got automated responses based on the text mining of your email. Email sometimes works. Sometimes not. Sometimes getting on the phone can do wonders.

I started a community page to check out NY trail camera photos. Not specifically hunting-related, but I am sure alot of it will be geared toward deer and turkey. Check it out and give it a like if you wish. It is not a for-profit venture, so hopefully this isn't advertising/violating forum rules. If so, please take it down. https://www.facebook.com/newyorktrailcameras

The one with the date issue sounds like there is another battery in that camera that has went dead. Have you taken it apart to see? Alot of times that battery is responsible for maintaining the date and time. Are the ultras the smaller cameras?

A trio of cameras for sale. All prices CO US TYD. The Tasco is a cam that my FIL used for a few years, it takes four C batteries, takes pretty decent images overall. Will include an SD card that has worked with it. Liquid nails have been applied to help it blend in. $30 2013 Browning Recon Force - this cam has quite a following as it is a solid performer. I like it, but prefer black flash cams and this was bought as a gift to me in 2014. Used for a very short period of time as a result. $80 2014 Scoutguard 370 blackflash (940 nm). Brand new, the shipping film has not even been taken off of the cam yet. It is very small - a BH209 powder charge is next to it for size comparison. $85