Northcountryman

Do you know that for a fact ?

Intimating it originated in the US due to that nursing home data is, though ; as I said, not likely all based on the way events unfloded

It also, seems to be veery well supported by his peers accdording to the article, wouldnt you say? Make sense to me

Except Obama , who was pretty notorious for bein out on the course a time or two himself !!

Sorry, yutube clip, not article. I did check it out, but doesnt make sense. This take splace in is July ,2019. Knowing what we know about the high transmissibility of COVID-19, IF this was indeed the same virus, would have spread like wildfire immediately in US, which it did not do till aroun march of 2020 after tracing exposures back to those travelling to/from Wuhan, China. Also, entire world would have enacted travel bans to/from US which they did not do; they did, however, do that in regards to China. Also, I just trhought of something from your previous post. You say that you get tired of people hammering news and articles as fake , yet when it fits their "narrative" then, its suddenly real. Isnt that kind of what you just kind of did with the Spanish Flu article I posted? I ididnt write the article; I read it; moreover, its from (I think) a fairly reputable and non-poltitical source, National Geographic. Yes, you discount everything that they say and dismiss because it doesnt fit "your narrative" right? It doesnt matter if China missed the first wave , why are you arguing that? The point is, they had immunity conferred to them due to previous exposure from Spanish flu; Therefore, looks like maybe it originated there!! As this article demonstrates, this is only a theory--why then are you so quick to dismiss it?

What narrative do I have and what side am I on? I am on noones side, my friend , except for those who are in search of the Truth. And , like i said , the Spanish flu thing-- as is the the Plague--is just a theory. Having said that, if you ask me if I believe it? Yup!! I will read your article, though , thanks for the info...

No, it is the fault of the place in which it originated if the same practices which led to its development and manifestation are continued . China has known ,for quite some time now, about the correlation between the wet markets and species-jumping viral diseases, yet they persist in conducting and holding such markets...it is now time to finally stop IMHO

Ill have to verify what you say about SARS; I believe it was Wuhan but even if not, still China according to you, right ? In reference to Spanish Flu, the theory is that it originated from Chinese workers present in Europe at the time. Again, hasnt been completely verified ( who can know for sure anyway?) but, thats whats believed to be the case. Apparently, your contention (that Spanish flu never reached China in first wave ) is incorrect; or at least, it appears to be according to this article: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/#:~:text=In the new report%2C Humphries finds archival evidence,(Related%3A Here's what coronavirus does to the body.) Finally , in ref to the Black Plague: Yes, seriously, from China As I clearly stated in my original post, this is not proven, its just a theory. Sorry if that upsets you , but based on the apparent historical pattern here , I'm a firm believer in the old adage "where theres smoke theres fire"; so, if you heard that the snake from the old Testament also came from Wuhan, I'd be inclined to be believe it!! lol

Correct, nobody does but thats not what I'm talking about here . DD raised that issue in response to my assertion that the Chinese--due to their continual reckless wet markets practices-- have been responsible for a GREAT deal of species jumping respiratory viral transmissions historically . Certainly not all , of course , but many... yes, I would say so.

"COVID19 most likely first came into America on the East Coast via Europe; not West Coast via China. "- DD No, I'm referring to the Chinese and stand by my earlier remarks. This is why: COVID Did not likely oroginate from Europe as you content, but from Wuhan. The first documented case in US was from a guy in Washington who just got back from Wuhan ,China SARS originated in Wuhan, China in 2004 (I think thats the year, not sure though) Now if by "they" you meant white europeans, then yeah "theyve been doing this shit for a long time...". -DD I understand what youre saying in terms of smallpox but the common cold ? Where is your evidence that that was transmitted from White settlers to the Indians and also, that it devsatated them. Likely it was present long before , I would imagine, right? Never heard that Additionally, there is MORE evidence that Plague (i.e., black death) ALSO originated in Wuhan, China , although it is not proven. So, it appears that They HAVE been doing this shit for a very long time IMHO

That sucks!!! I am so sorry!! hope it all works out and shes found safe-n-sound

Whats the difference in terms of the variant naming currently and the way Trump named the original? Virus originated in China; perhaps it would have been better to refer to it as some sort of Wuhan strain, as someone on here previously suggested is standard protocol , IDK. But then again, a bunch of respiratory viruses historically, have originated there anyway, so many would have the same moniker but a different number after it , I guess, lol. Theyre even saying now, that experts believe Spanish Flu originated in Wuhan too!! So, theyve been doing this shit for a long time...

Yes, excellent point; its such hypocrisy. I think it all boils down to whether the term being applied references groups predominantly "white" or "non-white" based on this cultural hyper-sensitivity nonsense. Black, brown and yellow people are perceived as the minority "oppressed" and "victim" groups whereas white prople are viewed "oppressers" and "victimizers"; thus, its ok to apply virus labels that implicitly , may reference these groups but not the the "victimized groups, of course.

Actually , Biden’s plan allows EVERYBODY In regardless of tests or quarantined lol ( or is that his immigration policy ?? Actually , I think they’re the same !!! Lol)

Do you remember the public outcry at the time from the Left as a result of the imposition of this ban, though? Biden called it a "Xenophobic response" , and then , turned around and imposed a similar type of ban this week! I'm not sure about what you said regarding regular citizens being allowed back in--maybe , maybe not-- but even if true, he would have been skewered for adopting that that sort of measure anyway, I'm sure.

Dont know what you mean when you say it didnt really keep anyone out. The efficacy of Trumps' response to COVID can be devated for sure, but youre description of the ban is inaccurate. Here is an excerpt from an article describing the ban at tthe time: ..."The next day, Jan. 31, the president declared coronavirus a U.S. public health emergency and issued the ban on travel between the United States and China. On that same day, the Senate voted on the production of additional documents in the impeachment trial of President Trump. Campaigning in Iowa that day, Biden criticized President Trump’s China travel ban, saying during an Iowa campaign event, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.” As the article demonstrates, said ban certainly kept Chinese nationalists out!!

Theres no such thing as "Trumpism"; its a made-up construct whose political ideologies are antithetical to that held by the former Prez. Using his surname as a pejorative term further unerscores the contempt and derision that fully half of the electorate has for the other half--and this is why so many of them feel marginalized....

Oh ok, gotcha

Yes Sir, excellent point you make and I agree. I actually, was one of the "inmdoctrinated " back in the day and even vioted for Al Gore back in 2000 (What was I thinking?)!! Didnt wake up nutil 9/11 and havent looked back since!!

If enough lefties demand it, you can; thats whats happened in hard-core blue cities like DC, with some of the strictest gun laws in America. Let me be clear: I agree with your position that it SHOULD be immutable in perpetuity. but I wouldnt count on it saving the day if and when things get worse and we get vastly outnumbered. You see, this is one of the problems were facing with the younger generation not into hunting. Take, for example, Bowman Mike. Hes said himself that he doesnt care about the 2nd A and if it was revoked , he couldnt care less. How many more are there out there like BM with similar sentiments? ALOT My son doesnt care about hunting, doesnt own guns and doesnt care to; nor do his friends. Eventually, they will outnumber us. And when the minority of the populace becomes apathetic, if not outright hostile, THATS when it will be taken away. I truly hope that I'm wrong , but dont think that I am.

"The 2nd A was never an idea, nor is it a tradition."--Grouse Sure it is, I mean, it had to originate from somewhere , right? America was the first--but not only--nation on earth whose governement clealry delineated a guaranteed right to possess firearms. This originates , I believe, from our system of values borne out of the Revolution, fighting against tyranny and oppression. Since weve possesed this right for roughly 230 years, it has now become tradtiion which, in large part is why it has been immemsely difficult for the left to rescind this right. Granted, they have made progress in certain aspects of this right--which is disturbing--but , overall, this liberty remains largely undisturbed and intact. Upon comparison with other nations holding no such tradition (Russia, China, Japan, etc.) , their denial of this precious right was relatively easy to enact and even easieer to sustain (i.e., the populace is accustomed to not possessing firearms, now for multiple generations ,so they dont "miss" what they never "had"in the first place).

Oh, I see what your'e saying; youre referring to classic Liberalism, go it. You know, I was curious, so I looked it up in the online dictionary. Heres the offical def accdg to Merriam: Liberal' shares a root with 'liberty' and can mean anything from "generous" to "loose" to "broad-minded." Politically, it means "“a person who believes that government should be active in supporting social and political change." To simplify it , I often view liberals as those who actively embrace change , when they deem it necessary, whereas conservatives typically are more traditionalists, tending to be content with status quo governmental systems to remain as-is. Poiltical positions, of course, vary over time as society changes. For example, during the early years of our countrys foundation , the 2nd A. right was considered a liberal idea because it was new and a "change". Now, its viewed as a Conervative idea because it has become tradition. Go figure!!

Sweet, I've never used sticks; are they relatively easy to hump in or kinda awkward?

Really, have you ever had Mountain Ram? I wonder if thats any good...

Depends on how Liberal they are IMHO. I know several Libs--my sister included--who , if they had their way, would revoke the 2nd A. cuz they feel its antiquated and a relic from the past indicative of a more "primitive and violent society" and is no longer needed. Remember big mouths like Rosie O'Fattell (O'Donnell lol)? The hard core ones are VERY dangerous IMHO.