Brady Calls NRA "Terrorists"

[Mr VJP]

IMO, anyone, gun owner or not, that doesn't support the NRA is either too poor to join, or is a fool.

 

And that's putting it in the most polite wording I can muster.

 

[Uptown Redneck]

Good answer…I hope its sincere 

Very sincere ants

[Uptown Redneck]

Honestly some of the things that come out of the NRA are asinine

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Finally, someone else sees the stupidity that the NRA promotes 

[Mr VJP]

Finally, someone else sees the stupidity that the NRA promotes 

 

Yet neither one of you has cited any example of the so called "stupidity" you believe they promote.  That makes your opinionated statement obtuse at best, and inane at worst.

[Uptown Redneck]

Yet neither one of you has cited any example of the so called "stupidity" you believe they promote.  That makes your opinionated statement obtuse at best, and inane at worst.

It is not so much about what they do, instead it is more about what they DON'T Do

[ants]

What don't they do?????

[philoshop]

What don't they do?????

 

I'm curious about this myself.

[Mr VJP]

I guess specifics is too much to expect.  They don't allow the 2nd Amendment to get repealed by executive, or legal fiat.  How's that a bad thing?

 

You mean they don't stop every little bad gun law that gets passed on a state or local level?  Maybe if there were 50 million members instead of 5 million, they could.

 

[philoshop]

It is not so much about what they do, instead it is more about what they DON'T Do

 

What they don't do is compromise with gun-grabbers who would like to see a disarmed citizenry.

For that, I'm a supporter.

Never give an inch.

[Mr VJP]

The relationship between the police and motorcycle clubs isn’t exactly cordial. We’ve seen what can result from that tension in Waco recently, and the justice system is still trying to figure out what the heck happened. Things aren’t a whole lot better in the Empire State. That’s where the Pagans Motorcycle Club of Suffolk County, Long Island operates. People who want to own a handgun in the state of New York are required to have a permit to purchase and possess the gun (one permit for each specific firearm) and as a result the police know exactly who has (legally owned) heaters. According to reports, that enabled local Suffolk County cops to confiscate the firearms of one motorcycle club member without any apparent legal justification . . .

 

From MPP:

On Thursday October 22nd, the SCPD contacted a member of the Pagans MC and informed him that his legal permit issued by Suffolk County was under review because of his alleged membership in the Pagans MC. The SCPD requested that he come down to the station for an interview and bring all 10 of his legally purchased and registered handguns.

The member, in good faith, says he went down to the station with his legal handguns in order to be interviewed. This member has absolutely no criminal record and he had been legally issued a permit. He thought he could clear it up, he says.

But the SCPD had no intention of making an evaluation based on the interview. It is clear that the decision to confiscate this man’s legal handguns was made before he ever arrived. The member was given no real choice. He was told he could give up being a Pagan and keep his permit and guns. Police told him that it is illegal to own a gun in New York as a member of an outlaw motorcycle club like the Pagans. Police said there was recent Supreme Court precedent that confirmed the law.

The idea that someone could have their constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms violated due to his association with a certain group the police deem “unsavory” is more than a little unsettling. I’m sure that no one would argue that getting guns out of the hands of members of a street gang such as the Bloods would be a good idea. But when that definition begins to expand to include groups that the cops simply don’t like, well, you can see where this might be heading.

If the cops suddenly consider the NRA a terrorist organization (as the NY Daily News desperately wants) then under this same logic they could begin confiscating the firearms of every NRA member in their jurisdiction. Where does it stop?

[Uptown Redneck]

If guns can be taken from members of one "outlaw" gang, i.e. The Bloods why can't they then be taken from another "outlaw" gang, in this case The Pagans, what is the difference between an "outlaw" street gang and an "outlaw" motorcycle gang? None that any sane, rationale person can see.

[Mr VJP]

This guy's guns were all legally owned and registered.  I doubt members of the Bloods gang are legally owned, and if they are, I doubt they are being confiscated.

 

The point is, all the government has to do is declare your membership in an organization "unsavory" and they can take your 2nd Amendment rights.  Where does this stop?  NRA members?  Christians?  Tea Party members?

 

Allowing the government to decide who can and cannot own firearms based on ideology, rather than criminal history, is giving them way too much power to control who owns guns.  The more citizens are willing to allow the government to grant them permission, the more ways the government will find to deny it.

[Uptown Redneck]

Mr VJP, you are overlooking ONE Important Consideration, this guy belongs to a recognized criminal organization and like others who are banned from owning guns he too should be forced to surrender his. According to your post he was offered the option of leaving the Pagans so that he could keep his guns, he made the decision to remain a member of an "outlaw" motorcycle gang so therefore he must face the consequences of his decision   

[Mr VJP]

No so called "outlaw" MC club is actually legally considered a criminal organization.  The members must be charged with criminal offenses individually to consider them outlaws.  I'm sure they have a lawyer on retainer who's also a member of the MC club.  If he's never commited a crime, which would get him disbarred too, he's not an outlaw.  They may be considered criminal organizations by some people, but are not legally outlawed by law.  If they were, they wouldn't exist out in the open like most do, including the Hell's Angels.

 

But that's not the point of the story at all.  Going back to the OP, if they declare the NRA a terrorist organization, which they want to do, all of the guns owned by the members will have to be turned in, unless you want to quit the NRA?  Sounds like the NRA has been doing too good a job at protecting 2nd Amendment rights.  Any "Social" club that exists could be considered a "terrorist" group and have their rights erased.  But I doubt this administration has the Black Panthers, or the Black Lives Matter group on their anti gun radar at this time.

 

You cannot allow the government to pick and choose what INDIVIDUAL can own firearms.  It has to be done equally under the law with legal criteria, like a felony conviction, used to decide.

[philoshop]

The legal system in the US is very clear about what constitutes a criminal offense. As much as the gun-grabbers would like to change the law in their favor, owning a gun is not, in and of itself, a crime for an otherwise law-abiding citizen.

 

If they want to start targeting 'potentially unsavory' groups/gangs within the US who may be predisposed to lawlessness, they should start with the US congress, the executive branch, and the bureaucrats in the federal government who enable them. They'll never hold up that mirror, however, because they won't like what looks back at them.