5 years ago Cuomo decided people would die in a pandemic

[G-Man]

The state is unprepared ,mainly due to cities, the base of Cuomo's votes.. historically cities collapse in times of disease,  Egypt, indonesia,maya,Inca, even the american Indian city recently discovered.. they are dependant on the  rural areas .  When the shipping stops so do the cities.  Cuomo needs to show the cities he is doing everything he can for them.. doenst care about rest of state as he only need cities to vote him in.. his executive order to redistribute is solely to help the city ..if anyone thinks they will come back to. Rural hospitals when they are needed may as well loan 40 buck to a junkie and expect it back next week...

[Rattler]

1 hour ago, Doewhacker said:

Opinions aren’t facts. 

The entire point of your thread was based on fake news that Cuomo was told to purchase vents. The report never said that and showed what would happen when a catastrophic illness strikes. If you bothered to read and understand the actual report instead of opinion pieces designed to fire you up you would be better off. 

None of this changes the fact that neither state or federal government are equipped to deal with such events.

And all this time guys like you want less government are now clamoring for more including martial law, though you may not realize it because you haven’t read a internet opinion piece that tells you what to think yet. 

I'm not the one who thinks what they're told to think.  Cuomo was advised by his own staff, people in his own administration, that supplies needed to be restocked after they read that report.  That is a FACT! 

He chose NOT to do as he was told, so he could spend more on buying votes with projects that had nothing to do with medical supplies.  That is a FACT!

Your rebuttal is nothing but an opinion piece, because it fails to continue with the FACTS after the report was received.

Both state and federal governments are responsible for dealing with such events are are required to be as ready for them as possible.  The #1 duty of all government is citizen safety.  When a report like that is issued, they are required to respond to it.  Ignoring it is a response.  The report's authors have no authority to tell any elected hack what to do and are chastised if they do.  They can only report the FACTS!

Big government will be the cause of the economic collapse and the instigator of martial law.  If there is anyone that lives by opinion pieces and cannot think for themselves, it's the leftist progressive Marxist totalitarians that are marching lock step into oblivion while preaching the Communist manifesto of total government control.

CNN, MSNBS, ABC, CBS, NBC are constantly being criticized for biased reporting that is noting but opinion spewed from talking heads, and clueless leftists never question it, because they're leftist handlers never tell them to.  The fake news is coming from the left my friend.  That is a FACT!

Edited April 4, 2020 by Rattler

[Rattler]

1 hour ago, Doewhacker said:

I actually think if the feds took better control the states wouldn’t be able to make terrible decisions like they are (redistribution of vents). 
 

PS Anyone want to know why there aren’t vents available from the companies that sell or rent them to hospitals?  Because they sent everything that they had overseas to the highest bidder knowing the US would need them. 

The Federal government has no constitutional authority under the law to dictate to the states what they must do.  It helps to know the legalities of the issue to understand what the problem is.

Companies that make ventilators would have been very happy to sell them to the states to stock hospitals.  The states weren't asking to buy any.  Are you actually implying states were denied the ventilators because they weren't the highest bidders and it was done to intentionally deprive Americans access to them?  Really?  Seriously?  I would love to see the FACTUAL data you have access to that proves that theory.

[Doewhacker]

4 minutes ago, Rattler said:

'm not the one who thinks what they're told to think.  Cuomo was advised by his own staff, people in his own administration, that supplies needed to be restocked after they read that report.  That is a FACT! 

Prove it. 
 

The report never states that. 
 

On top of that stop making stuff up. It’s a reoccurring theme with you, 98 pound coyote, suicide rate higher than covid, male gov of Rhode Island ect ect

 

 

 

[Doewhacker]

Just now, Rattler said:

The Federal government has no constitutional authority under the law to dictate to the states what they must do.  It helps to know the legalities of the issue to understand what the problem is.

Companies that make ventilators would have been very happy to sell them to the states to stock hospitals.  The states weren't asking to buy any.  Are you actually implying states were denied the ventilators because they weren't the highest bidders and it was done to intentionally deprive Americans access to them?  Really?  Seriously?  I would love to see the FACTUAL data you have access to that proves that theory.

Twat

The feds could have organized resources instead of states scrambling against each other for supplies. 
 

The states weren’t asking to buy because they wouldn’t be the ones buying them hospitals would. Every one was told it would just go away and it was hoax remember? 
 

 

[Rattler]

Prove me wrong.  I agree the report never states that, but the report doesn't have any info about what happened after that.  Cuomo made a decision.  That's a FACT!

Stop with the juvenile deflection and ad hominem attacks.  They're the realm of people who know they've already lost the debate.

[Rattler]

4 minutes ago, Doewhacker said:

The states weren’t asking to buy because they wouldn’t be the ones buying them hospitals would. Every one was told it would just go away and it was hoax remember? 

The report you like to refer to was written years ago!!  The decision to not resupply was made years ago!!  That is a FACT!!

[Doewhacker]

Just now, Rattler said:

Prove me wrong.  I agree the report never states that, but the report doesn't have any info about what happened after that.  Cuomo made a decision.  That's a FACT!

Stop with the juvenile deflection and ad hominem attacks.  They're the realm of people who know they've already lost the debate.

Prove you wrong on something that never happened? Lol ok 

 

You are they type of internet persona that is limited in understanding of any given topic and can only relate back to things they can copy and paste. Even when proven wrong you ask for more info proving yourself wrong. 

[Doewhacker]

1 minute ago, Rattler said:

The report you like to refer to was written years ago!!  The decision to not resupply was made years ago!!  That is a FACT!!

You were replying to what is current going on, not what the report from years ago said. Stay with me

[Rattler]

No, I don't see any point in staying with you.  It's futility personified.

I'm a first responder.  I'll just keep working on fixing people's problems.

[Doewhacker]

Hey someone has to drive the sick folks to the hospital. 
 

My wife is a RRT, I drive tractor trailer delivering freight and my son works in a grocery store so I guess we’ll just keep on keeping people alive, fed and supplied. 
 

 

 

[Rattler]

Fundamental Differences In How Republicans And Democrats Are Dealing With The Coronavirus Crisis

 1 APR , 2020  

Dr. John Lott has a new piece up at Townhall.com about the fundamental differences in how Democrats and Republicans handle the Coronavirus crisis.

If you want to see the difference in how President Trump and the Democrats handle the coronavirus, you don’t have to look any further than Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. She is the new Democratic star who recently gave her party’s response to Trump’s State of the Union address.

On Friday, Whitmer became the point person for Democrat attacks on Trump’s handling of the crisis. She alleged, without providingevidence, that the Trump administration was causing medical supply vendors “not to send stuff here to Michigan.” She also attacked the administration for not giving “clear directives and guidance.” Trump responded on Friday night by tweeting that she “likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude.”

Take one massive difference in their approaches. Trump uses his emergency powers to enable off-label use of drugs to fight the virus, while Whitmer has taken the opposite approach.

We know these drugs are safe since we use them for treating other illnesses. They just haven’t yet been proven effective against the coronavirus. But a March 24th letter from the Whitmer administration warns physicians and pharmacists that they risk losing their professional licenses if they prescribe drugs such as hydroxychloroquine. This drug shows real promise in small studies, but has yet to go through the years-long testing process that the FDA requires to prove efficacy. 

As Trump said at his press conference on Friday, if someone is dying anyway from the coronavirus and we know that there are no significant side effects from hydroxychloroquine, what do we have to lose from giving it a try? We may also learn something about the treatment that could redound to the benefit of others.

While Trump has slashed government regulations, such as restrictions that prevented university hospitals from developing tests for the virus, there doesn’t appear to be a single regulation that Whitmer or any other prominent Democrat proposes scrapping. To them, only more regulation is the answer.

There may not be any zombie apocalypse in store for Americans, but people have real concerns about the limitations of police protection amidst a pandemic. As of last Thursday, a fifth of Detroit’s police force was quarantined and not able to do its job. Twenty-five officers, including Police Chief James Craig, have tested positive for the disease.

Telecommuting isn’t an option for police, and their jobs are now even more dangerous than usual. Many departments, including Detroit’s, have understandably scaled back policing in an effort to limit officers’ potential exposure to the disease. Police also have their hands full with enforcing their state’s stay-in-place lockdown.

It is little wonder that sales of guns and ammunition have soared, and the Trump administration’s Department of Homeland Security declared that firearm retailers are essential and should not experience disruptions during the pandemic. By contrast, Whitmer is one of seven governors who closed downgun stores in her state. Michigan is also no longer issuingconcealed handgun licenses.

The risk of contagion is particularly high within the close quarters of prisons, so Michigan police are limiting the number of new arrests to avoid introducing infected inmates. inmates who are deemed to be at high risk of infection are also getting released early from jails and prisons. The inmate population of Oakland County jail plummeted from 1,282 on March 1st to 1,016 by March 26th. The Macomb County jail saw its inmate population fall by over 25 percent over the same period. Massive releases are occurring in other jails across the state and the country.

So Michigan police are stretched thin and not responding to calls, at the same time that criminals are being released early from prison. Gun control advocates such as Whitmer would typically tell people they should rely on the police for protection. But if shortages do get out of control or if police departments face further restrictions, what are people supposed to do to protect themselves? Whitmer doesn’t trust people to make the right decision for themselves and their families.

There is a systematic difference in Whitmer’s and Trump’s approaches. Trump is much more willing to trust individual doctors, patients, and citizens to make the right decisions. The government can help in times of crisis, but sometimes it also needs to get out of the way so that we can respond effectively and without bureaucrats overseeing our every move.

[Rattler]

Depression and suicide rates during a crises.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-usa-cost/

 

Soaring Suicides

"In Europe and the United States, suicide rates rise about 1% for every one percentage point increase in unemployment, according to research published by lead author Aaron Reeves from Oxford University. During the last recession, when the unemployment in the United States peaked at 10%, the suicide rate jumped, resulting in 4,750 more deaths. If the unemployment rate increases to 20%, the toll could well rise.

“Sadly, I think there is a good chance we could see twice as many suicides over the next 24 months than we saw during the early part of the last recession,” Reeves told Reuters. That would be about 20,000 additional dead by suicide in the United States "

[Doewhacker]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fauci-warned-of-trump-pandemic-2017-200054359.html

[Rattler]

Ah the Huff Post.  That bastion of "real" journalism and total credibility.  The "National Inquirer" of political pundits.  LOL!

Maybe you don't comprehend the article, because he's blaming federal agencies and state Governors for not acting.  besides, he never submitted anything to Trump or his administration.  He gave a speech at Georgetown Univ Medical Center.  You think medical professionals would've acted on it?  Maybe they didn't want to prevent it?  Maybe they understood it was the Dr's opinion?  Maybe they though he was looney?  Who knows?  But it doesn't mean crap about Trump or his administration, especially coming from Huff, since they are part of the swamp trying to take Trump down every day.

[Rattler]

[Rattler]

This virus will create a secondary public health crises.

 

 https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/06/destroying-the-economy-will-create-a-different-public-health-crisis/