Doc

Honestly, I don't know whether it is some kind of macho thing when people imagine that they can routinely pull off those kinds of super long shots or whether it is just some total disregard for the prey that they hunt that makes them not care that they are taking irresponsible shots. But, when people start relying on luck with their shooting, to make up for their lack of hunting skills to get close enough to do the job right, it does kind of rub me the wrong way. I will not say that 100 yard kills on deer cannot be made. It all is relative to how many wounded losses you are willing to accept, or how little a messed up shot on a live deer bothers you. If you don't care about such things, start flinging arrows until something finally drops. But don't be coming on here and trying to make like those are average shots that people should be taking, here or anywhere else. You simply will be called out every time. You are doing the sport of bowhunting a terrible injustice, and hopefully newcomers to bowhunting will recognize BS when they read it. And it serves no one to simply let this kind of irresponsible talk stand without challenge. The reasons why those shots should be passed has been well documented in this thread. Those that choose to ignore all that just to satisfy some kind of machismo I guess probably will do that regardless of what is said. Irresponsibility is simply a given in any form of hunting and no amount of arguing on a forum is ever going to change that. But damn us if we don't try.

That's funny, when I started thinking about how long I have been bowhunting in the last reply, I also started thinking about the mindset of bowhunters back then. You know the whole reason that I got into bowhunting back then was the challenge of having to get close to the deer. Actually, everyone that I knew was kind of into that same thing. The whole deal was having the hunting skill to get within 20 yards or less of a deer, drawing back the bow without getting spotted, and then making the shot. The emphasis was on woodslore and stealth. That's where the challenge came from and that's where the satisfaction came from. That's what separated the bow season from the gun season. Somehow over the years the whole mentality of bowhunting has shifted away from the "hunting" part of it, and has become a reliance on what technology some guy in an office can invent to get the deer for us. When did we decide that the idea of bowhunting was to see how far away we can shoot a deer? With that kind of mentality, I can't figure out why people don't go all the way with that thinking and simply stay with the gun. What is all this screwing around with bows and crossbows if you are going to maintain the gun shooting mentality and try to turn these weapons of challenge into just another long distance machine? Doesn't anybody take any pride in up-close and personal hunting skills anymore?

Shooting the bow since I was 11, when I built my first hickory longbow ..... lol. Got my first bowhunting license in 1965 ..... Damn! That'll be 49 years this fall. Never missed a season in all those years.

Wow, I really don't know what is going on in this forum these days, but it is getting so that you can't even answer a question without someone turning it into some kind of huge manufactured controversy. What seems to be the problem here? A bit too much cabin fever or what? I would suggest that people stop looking for ulterior motives in every word that is typed here, and try a bit harder at not making more out of things than what's really there. Let's see if we can work our way back to a little bit of cordiality and at least an attempt at civil discussion.

Ha-ha ... kind of goofy to ask a question that you can answer yourself in a few seconds. But anyway, I was happy to do it.

You asked the question, I answered it. There is no bias in simple math, so I have no clue where you conjured up such a crazy comment. And of course none of that has anything to do with disrespecting this or disrespecting that. It is all simple math directed specifically at your question. Whatever you are manufacturing in your mind, or trying to start here, I can't begin to guess. All I can tell you is, If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.

Yes, I believe I answered the exact question you asked and then some. And I wasn't answering for anybody, but simply responding directly to your question.

An arrow that travels at an average speed of *300 f/sec for 75 yards takes .75 seconds to travel that distance. A deer walking at an average **3.5 MPH will advance 46.2 inches in that .75 seconds. An arrow that travels at an average speed of *300 f/sec for 100 yards takes 1.00 seconds to travel that distance. A deer walking at an average **3.5 MPH will advance 61.6 inches in that 1.00 second. *Note that the assumed arrow speed is the average over the specified distance and assumes no deceleration due to air drag. **the 3.5 - 4 MPH average walking speed of a deer is from "The Deer of North America" Leonard Lee Rue III

But anyway, it can be fun to watch. I once had a motorized moving deer target on my range behind the house. Only on mine I had a speed control operated by someone other than the shooter. We also found out that you could get the support wire bouncing up and down a bit. It was fun and broke up the boredom of some of our longer shooting sessions. The distance was limited, and the farthest we could get was about 30 yards because I wanted to use the hill as a back-stop. Yeah it was fun, and also did point up just how silly trying to shoot at running deer would actually be.

Don't be apologizing for watching Fox News. It's good to see the story choices taking on something besides that constant liberal slant. What the heck most of the news organizations are a mere mouthpiece for the leftist's point of view anyway. So this would be a story I wouldn't expect to see broadcast on most of the mainstream media anyway.

Oh it can be done in a hunting situation too ........ once in a while. Ha-ha, I love the realism of those indoor running deer targets. Moving along straight as a string at a constant speed. Just exactly like a real running deer .... eh?

Flawless. Actually these weathermen would be much more accurate if they would simply put windows in the walls of the news-room so they could look outside once in awhile.

There is no problem with that until she regains consciousness. And then the intruder or whatever you were going to the gun for in the first place starts becoming the lesser problem.

Oh yeah, and then there is the speed-talk thing where the guys throw in the biggest words possible and then talk so fast that you can listen to a whole forecast and end up wondering what the heck he just got done saying. I don't get it. Are they trying to pass on useful information, or are they just spewing it all out there as fast as possible so they can get on to the next commercial?

Well, I can't deny that status. On the other hand, I ain't alone in that either....lol.

This thing is so darned funny, but true at the same time. It is amazing what great points that can be made through humor.

So what are the kinds of things that you hate about the way that weather gets reported. I mean, other than their lack of accuracy....lol. I really hate the vague terms that these birds have developed over the years. I mean really ..... what exactly are "snow flurries"? Does that term tell me whether I am going to have problems on the roads? It like when they say scattered snow showers. What the heck does that mean? Am I going to have to schedule in plowing the driveway or not? Then there is the "slight possibility of showers". What the heck, is it going to rain or not. And when they want to tell you about the forecasted temperature, don't be telling me about "intense cold" or "sweltering summer temperatures". Give me the darned forecasted ranges of temperatures and leave all the dramatic descriptors back in your office. Here's what I want: Give me that map that shows the various bands in the area with forecasted levels of snow or rain accumulations. Give me real numbers when it comes to temperatures, and wind levels. Not these theatrical generalizations. Never mind telling me about how exciting the weather is for a meteorologist. I am not one and I don't care. Go back to issuing a predicted % of weather events happening. Rather than just telling me that something might happen somewhere. Don't be wasting my time telling me about what is happening in Oregon or Tallahassee. I don't care. When you flat out mess up, admit it. I have had entire days ruined because of a bogus forecast. At least apologize. Forget the theatrics and dramatizations. I understand that you have ratings to look after, but just pass along the info. If you do that you will have a much shorter forecast and maybe you can slide in a few more ads to make money with ..... lol. Just the facts ma'am. So, how about you folks? You have any hot-buttons about weather reporting?

Oh damn! By the way, in the 4th picture down, is that one of Growalot's posted signs in the back-ground? That isn't the guy she was talking about that puts his stand near her posted line is it? No can't be ..... wrong town .... lol.

I agree with this. He has the kind of loud-mouthed, overbearing, personality that I don't often care to associate with. I cannot picture him as a personal friend. However, as objectionable as his personality may be, if you want someone that can swamp the anti-hunters/gunners with a blitz of facts and leave them hemming and hawing and red-faced and stammering like a fool, he's your man.

What a dummy .... I talked about the thread on deer anatomy and never put the link in my reply. Anyway, if you all want to see how much sense it makes to be aiming at the smallest lethal parts of the deer, check out the diagrams and photos at : http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/6770-deer-anatomy/ When you get done looking at all that take a look at the massive heart/lung area. I'll leave it up to you to figure out which is the more responsible shot selection.

Gut shot deer can be recovered. It's no simple task, but can often be done. However, deer that are shot high above the vital organs, or in the rump with the femoral missed can run you on a merry chase for days without ever recovering the deer. Those kinds of hits I would imagine account for a majority of unrecovered deer. And then the other wounding that involves errant gusts of wind, or deflections of unseen twigs and limbs (not every twig and limb can be seen over a 75 yard distance) can wind up in forward parts of the deer that often miss vitals and can cause unrecovered deer. And then there is always the just plain old "bad" shot that can happen to anyone. At 20 or 30 yards, that kind of hiccup may still wind up in lethal areas. At 75 - 100 yards, there is absolutely no allowance for anything other than perfection.

Yeah it's kind of like staring at a fish aquarium. It's all just interesting, and a bit relaxing.

I am extremely happy that we have just had a very safe season. And I am ecstatic that our county allowed the use of rifles for the first time this year. I am completely invested in that idea and spent a bunch of money on a deer rifle specifically because we can now use it for deer hunting .... and I love the results I had with it this year. However, let's not get all crazy and giddy over the results of just one year. Most of the new rifle counties are still in their infancy with the use of rifles. Here in Ontario County we only have this one year under our belt. I wonder how many people actually went out and bought a new rifle like I did. I know a lot of people have gobs of money tied up in their shotguns and rifle law or no rifle law they are still using their shotguns. Eventually the whole hunting culture will move to rifles, but I'm sure that hasn't happened yet even in counties that have had the rifle law for a few years already. I'm sure that a lot of rifle hunters are determined to show the nay-sayers that they were wrong. So, I think a lot of guys out there are still being very careful with their rifles, and I hope the respect for the increased range of these weapons continues to be impressed in their minds. I know that our rifle law like so many of them is a "trial" arrangement that will be made permanent in the future IF we don't have any incidents. I would hate to see people get so sold on this safety record that they begin to relax their safety standards become casual and careless about their target selections and backstop requirements. I could see this whole thing getting yanked back if the right kind of tragedy occurs due to some over-confidence.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that do irresponsible things with both gun and bow. But promoting a 75 or 100 yard bow-shot at live game, on a hunting forum probably is not the best thing to be doing. One simple un-expected casual step by the animal while the arrow is in flight can turn a perfect shot into a gut shot or worse at those distances. Unless you are able to read animal minds, I would always recommend against taking those kinds of shots. I have personally experienced, and seen countless video documentations that show exactly what the capabilities of deer are when it comes to moving out of the way of even the most perfect shots. Don't be promoting such nonsense on forums where somebody might actually take you seriously.

That's a pretty clever design. The only thing is that when you pull the door down in the middle of the night, it looks like you might knock your spouse out when it whacks her in the head ..... lol.