Culvercreek hunt club

Depression era. If it walked it was shot

So I guess since DECALS can't do it it can't be done.

I guess you are missing my point. I am talking about a system similiar. It is automated and it is not difficult. We utilize one at work we comissioned to asked specified questions with Keypad answers. Was pocket change and probably less that Cornell costs.

Phade, You must have missed my question in all these posts. When is the last lime you registered, took the survey and got a HIP number?

The probability is the same but the outcome can vary widely

Define "manage/time". does it equal shorten and outside of the rut?

I am not saying I believe it. I am stating that in threads we are talkiing about believing in the DEC (and their ECO's and Biologists I do. it is the Bureaucrats that I can’t stand) and here we are saying there public statements are no good. After much reading I believe a more mature age structure would be of benefit to the herd and even more so the hunters. If nothing else but becasue of the highly visible rutting activity that will take place. I am sinply stating what the DEC hastated position has been. They werent gray about it, it was point blank.

I am not going to speak to illegal activity becasue nothing will change that in any system. I thik the one buck will help but not enough people take two bucks to make a real impact. I will admit the AR's would be more immdiate. Would be very helpful in aging the buck structure if both were in place. But wieghed against what expense is the question that is being argued.

It is age. if the three taken are 1.5 then if they make it to next year they are 2.5's AR's will do nothing to modify populatons as a whole and can not effect carrying capacities. We are the only ones that can do those things, if it is allowed on the property.

Really? then explain the previous statements by the DEC about it being a social issue and NOT of signicant benefit.

And that is why I would love to see them got to a full lottery draw for does. No more freebies for Bow and ML. All does by the draw and get all the hunters in on a better chance to draw a tag.

But for me that is a big sticking point. What is the difference really. a 1.5 is a 1.5 regardless of the headgrear. I understand the thought process behind it getting the majority through the year. But I wish when they talk about a program like this they could focus more on what the benefits of a 2.5 are rather than a deer with 3 points. Especially out by us Geno. The majority of bucks I see that are 1.5 could be taken under and AR. You can be talking about a 40# bigger deer anyway, maybe more getting a 2.5

You can't even compare the NY of today with the Ny of 1939. Look at just the human population difference. The sprawl is vastly different. Anyone out there know the actual hunter numbers from back then?

See the AR may be that to some but in a QDM plan it is about taking more mature deer. (which is a much bigger bodied deer) and chasing a more educated and wary animal. The side benefit MAY be bigger antlers. For instance I have one target deer I reallllly want to take this year. he has one of the biggest bodies I have ever seen on a deer and I really think he is over 4.5 years old. There are 2 deer I know are 2.5 year olds That are very nice 10's that I would take with a bow but I really want that 7 with the gun. I have seen 4 8 pointers that are clearly 1.5's and they are small deer. 10-12" spreads and spindly. but very nice 1.5's I would love to see them make it through to see what they turn in to. I love deer meat and a few of us guys pool our venison and make a crazy amount of sausage products and such. Those 3.5 year old deer doo fill up the freezer a lot faster..lol

And in fairness that number has been in decline.

He is anti mandatory. I know that for a fact and he has gone a long way down the road to bring the effort for voluntary AR's through education.

According to the DEC there are NO significant benefits to these programs. They are social.

So not really the same situation the guys in some of the areas face. If a guy is only a gun hunter in a low probability area for doe tags, and has access to areas without the type of buck populations we enjoy, he may as well save his money on the licenses for a few years if this goes through. I do have to disagree with you on your view of not needing to get fired up over this. THIS IS the time to get fired up over it and get as many as possible fired up over it to voice their opposition. Better now than waiting until the train is already moving. There are too many pushing in this direction and some of those are in organized branches.

Bummer you didn't have doe tags that year

In your opinion. Pretty difficult to know another's perspective

and didn't take a doe?

Where you are, you had doe tags and had tag soup?

And just for the record how many other areas of NY have you hunted?

So says the guy with doe tags

When ws the last time you registered, took the survey and got a HIP #?